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Is this the most efficient way to store 17 houses?
So much more room for delicious maple syrup.
It’s called being optimal sweaty.
Sweety.
Optional sweaty is the perfect amount of perspiration to have upon one’s person.
*Optimal
Optional sweater is when you choose to perspire
Optimal. Optical sweaty is the choice of whether or not one would like to be perspiring.
Indianapolis built the central mile square of streets aligned with magnetic north, but then the rest of downtown aligned with true north. It’s almost aligned, which causes problems at that border.
I’ve lived here for years and never realized that’s why everything in the center looked slightly off center. Thanks!
Here’s another one:
Missoula, MT
Inb4 Hank Green does a video about this.
It’s actually a good story, too. I’m on mobile and not really qualified to tell it, however.
Our house is on a slanty road and I’ve never lived on one before, my mind rejects it. The CORNERS of the house point in cardinal directions. It’s because we are near a river, some of the streets in my neighborhood follow its course, which right here runs southwest.
I just have to stop and think every time. Because I have only stayed on N-S or E-W roads my mind thinks our walls ought to be along those lines. I have to point at the corner and say NORTH out loud more often than you’d think.
You would not thrive in one of our small towns.
Eh, it’s not the fact that it’s not on a grid layout. It’s the fact that it is mostly on a grid layout.
Hünsborn looks lovely and organically developed in a hilly region.
That area in Florida is flat as fuck and was probably some codger who wouldn’t sell until well after everything else was built up.
Reminds me of this place:
(I remember just walking to school and it felt weird walking on a “slanted” street lol)
Dear Americans
Please have a look at Lucerne
You’re welcome
The beaked Warhammer?
Downtown Denver:
This is the part in Sim City where I restart.
Aw, now I miss Sim City 2000
Sim City 4 is the best version of the Sim City games, and is 75% off on GOG right now, $5 / £4.
Cities Skylines 1 is the best modern city builder, 3D and a lot of fun plus well designed. But only really worth it when it’s on sale; lots of DLC and overpriced as a package when not on sale. Avoid Cities Skylines 2 - it’s just not fun and hasn’t been fixed - maybe they will one day fix but I doubt it 2.5 years in…
Pssst…just pirate it with all DLC.
Imagine what Cities Skylines could have been without Paradox’s super monetization plan
Lol I was just thinking “this sounds like Stellaris” then you say it’s Paradox
Cities and Skylines isn’t too far off from that sim city 2000 vibe, if you need a fix
The GoG version of SimCity 2000 runs fine in wine. The originals, not so much.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=504
I’ll check that out! Thanks for the rec!
Just avoid cities skylines 2. It’s just a cash grab
At least with places like Denver and other western cities it’s pretty straightforward how it happened - everything built along the river. Access to the river was key.
Being a boom/bust city means that a much later boom they adjusted.
Then even older cities (think Boston) grew before any opportunity at planning could happen.
Denver was two cities - Aurora and Denver. One was built to align with the river, the other with compass points and then they grew big enough to smush into each other and neither was willing to concede to the other.
Also Denver’s namesake, a Kansas politician, never even visited. It was a failed attempt to lure him here.
Where is this?
Edit: Found it! Jacksonville Beach, FL
30.280765 N 81.393002 W
Jacksonville Beach, FL
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16%2F30.27980%2F-81.39504
In my experience, many cities old enough in the US. Almost every biggish city where I live has the center of town laying differently than the newer, surrounding areas. There was a time when they oriented things different than how they plan it out now so now the older downtown areas look cock-eyed on a map/satellite image.
Grids were more efficient for pedestrians and uncovered transport, but the caveat is that motorized transport, especially on large grids, will often be driving faster than is desired among the pedestrian traffic.
Which is why the ethos has changed off of grids to the windy, curvy roads that naturally encourage slower speeds…no straightaways to really build up speeds like you can with a grid.
Most town centers, which have likely existed before the car did in large numbers, are still laid out in a grid…but youll notice as you get farther out, when the neighborhoods started getting built in the post wwii era and the rise of the burbs, are not generally grids.
This is an easier way to eyeball how old a particular neighborhood is…with some caveats and exceptions of course.
A grid is still most efficient, but were trading efficiency for safety which is reasonable…weren’t too many idiots doing 60mph on 35mph city streets like we have today.
Reverse image search has mixed results… A few say Florida, but the top one says Wyoming. I’d guess the one that says Jacksonville, Florida is most likely.
See my edit, it’s Jacksonville Beach FL
Unrelated but, Theres a section of Prince George Canada that all of a sudden does a big U. The story i was told is that back in the day there were two competing railway companies, and one of them bought enough influence that when the city was making roads to the other company, they instead made the roads bend back.
Damn, capitalism is fucked up
This was the intern using grid north instead of magnetic north, maybe?
One neighborhood in my town has streets at just the perfect angle for the winter sun to line up in the afternoon.
Maybe everything depends on whatever rule of thumb some 18th century surveyor heard was in style.
Ugh that grid pattern. Imagine living somewhere so uninspired.
Have you considered maybe it’s easier to navigate and plan a grid pattern? I wouldn’t mind uninspired street names like 1st, 2nd, 3rd St, crossways with N, O, P, Q Ave so you at least know which direction is which. Give me that chess board layout so I don’t need to pull up a map to navigate your city please. Car C1 takes Bar G5
and then 14th SE doesnt connect with 14th NE
thanks portland
My city has a street that changes name 4 times as you go down it.
Better than Atlanta that names every road Peachtree :)
Are you in Austin? Because Austin has that.
Which part of Koenig/2222/Northland/Allandale/Bullick Hollow/290 do you live on?
Between Burnet and Lamar
Lexington, KY? They have several that do that.
Sure but you’ll never encounter the magic of a crooked alley snaking its way through a maze of medieval building.
Istanbul blew my naive American mind when I visited
Not medieval, but, Boston has some good alleys, nooks, and crannies.
Over here in 2026 we have satnav in our cars and on our bikes. We also have a system of road types that actually makes sense and that keeps traffic out of housed areas as much as possible.
You have to understand that there are places in the USA where “city planning” is completely unheard of. They seem to let landowners develop however the fuck they want. They end up with grids of identical houses with little thought of connections to services such as shopping, healthcare, recreation, etc.
Kenosha, WI
Have you considered maybe it’s easier to navigate and plan a grid pattern?
With every corner looking the same?
Only from above. When you’re on foot, grid systems feel plenty variable and lively
Yes! I can get up so much speed on those straight roads! Blow through a few stop signs and I can easily drive all the way through a house!
Easy navigation isn’t relevant in a neighborhood of nothing but houses and play space, roads with curves are incredibly important to slow the flow of traffic
There’s a flipside too though. Straight lines aren’t great for suburbs for the speed reason, but once you reach enough density and the roads get narrow enough, grids make planning easier, and navigating easier for pedestrians. Roundabouts are a nice way to slow traffic through straight roads
Straight roads have little to do with driver speed. It’s how you design the roads. Wide lanes with buildings set back from the road? Higher speeds. That’s why some initiatives put curbs that jut out into the road (not into the lanes of travel) with trees and plants and such, and remove road striping. Combine pedestrians and road traffic on a road that looks more like a parking lot and you get drivers driving slowly. Sounds counter-intuitive, but it works.
Ok? So put straight roads in your cities and high density areas. Neighborhoods of just houses aren’t what you’re describing
There are residential neighborhoods in cities though, where straight roads with roundabouts and other traffic calming makes more sense than a curving a road, for the purposes of lowering driving speeds. Neither is better or worse inherently, we should just tailor solutions to the environment they’re needed in.
You don’t need curves to slow traffic, there a ton of ways to slow traffic
Not better:
Agreed. Same car dependency grid but from different socioeconomic posh level.
(Actually the density is lower, so as a suburb it’s worse & traveling distances/city area larger.)
What’s this?
A common American suburban development
A “modern” design, the current trend of shitty suburban layout that seems to be the alternative to the grid layout complained about.
so fucking much better!
But why? Name one reason it’s better besides your personal aesthetic preferences
Doesn’t require speed bumps to slow down the dregs of society.
Why? It IS about my aesthetic preferences :)
I like when everywhere in a place is different and memorable.
If you like samey grids I have no reason not to respect that, but I wholeheartedly disagree.
No constant traffic near your house (cleaner air, safer streets).
Better than living nowhere!
Lived on a grid the last 15 years and it objectively rules. The “objectively” part is the appreciating property values of the home I just sold, which outpaced those of cul-de-sac homes is my area over that same timeframe. Grid gang 4 lyfe
Are those the two options, grid or cul-de-sac
Would make sense to avoid people driving through the area. Grid patterns in general are kinda bad when it comes to traffic
Looks like it went askew between 1943 and 1949
Looked to me like they had worked around a pong and a wetland, and then finally just filled them in.
