Yes, these are also exactly my thoughts (& also why it’s prob fine to recommend lightly used derives - but maybe not 10 year old drives).

Also SATA. There’s basically no difference.
(We don’t have all the same needs, so no right or wrong answers. All my current HDDs are SATA, which saves me one smol hassle in potential migrations/changes/salvages/troubleshooting, but nothing major. Perhaps they were even a little tiny bit cheaper new than the same with SAS, but that’s not a rule. I do have two SAS SSDs bcs they looked cool & I wanted to have them even after they become obsolete.)

Oh, and to clarity the mythos around why “enterprise” in cases when the hardware seems the same CMR - this night not be true, but I feel some components (eg on the board) might be better grade or suited by design to work 24/7 or survive hours of some work intensive load (like ZFS repairs). And finding data/reviews on such stuff whilst having other priorities/restraints (loudness, price) is hard.

My last HDD failed in ATA (so consumer stuff, the legendary Deathstar) era, not one in 3 home NAS systems - I’m just saying your millage can very & is luck based.

Also RAID will have more reads/writes than non-RAID systems.

Just fyi in case it helps someone, from the “basically enterprise” level only Exos & Red Plus (not Pro) are “quiet” in a rubber caddy (bcs HDDs acoustics come from the drive as well as vibrations passed along the rig). But the later are very smol.

Yes, but enterprise grade stuff on second hand market is basically always fairly priced (you don’t get a “good deal”, just a normal one).

That said, I would still rather go refurnished server disks than desktop, especially lower capacities.

Brilliant or more of a classic mobster, heir of a brothel owner? That shaped Donaldo into the ways of strongarming anyone by shady practices & getting away with it?

No, that is her real hair (that he is wearing).

Imagine popping your head out the window suddenly seemingly being part of the elite pedo++ financial group.

(Also if they rent & don’t disclose the mural, that would be pretty funny :))

Well, one of the events was for profit, which is always a garbage-intensive operation.

Oh, so the spec is fairly correct at 97W idle.
And being an old, slow CPU means it’s not efficient at load either (higher peak consumption & longer precising time needed).

Are 22TB Exos derives around 400+ monies (double the price from a year ago)? 6TB are only half that? Idk even where to look for prices bcs stock is weird. Red Plus (not Pro, which are loud) have similar prices.

Yeah, these are dark times, evey gen things get worse instead of advancements ppl can use.

Still, keep in mind that those “wonderful” SAS drives are slow & might have been in operation for 12 years.

But I see your point & don’t really have any advice for you.

… if this link is correct, the idle power consumption (before HDDs, redundant PSU, cards, on a single CPU?) is … 97 watts …
(I mentioned the bill, heat, and noise before tho. I’m trying to say that that “idle” is prob the same as ‘the difference between that server and a PC with two HDDs’. About 876 kWh annually. It depends on your circumstances how much monies per year difference that is.)

Imhe servers are rarely under-priced.

Yeah, same.

I don’t know which version this 2620 is (they’ve been around since 2012), but any modern consumer CPU can outpace it by an order of magnitude - tho with fewer PCIe lanes (& possibly memory throughput, but not sure, maybe not), but it doesn’t sound like you need them.

Also idling makes quite a lot of difference even with cheap electricity bcs it’s 24/7 (eg 20 or 40 monies more a month on a rig that costs 200 monies either way is perhaps worth considering). Those “old” servers didn’t really power down much (CPU voltage + other parts, like server mobos, generally consume more power).

Also2, if important, making a quiet server is harder than making a quiet “PC server”.

Additionally to consider whatever the pro admin (closed sauce) tools the server has.

And this is just me, but I also don’t need RAID for my use case (and drive prices), for the same price as one HDD (a few years back that is) I would rather add that drive in an additional separate server/PC & have a backup system instead of just a backup drive (and it can be in a remote location in case of other emergencies/damages, like fire or whatever).

Old servers always seemed cheap but after thinking about it & the alternatives they’ve always seemed just fairly priced at the end. Which makes sense since it’s not noobs selling them, nor are they on fire sales/liquidation prices (they are sold by intermediaries in those cases).

So an old consumer PC (top of the line of the era if you like, or one of those corpo prebuilt machines), a good drive, and a good (efficient & safe) PSU is my usual homelab recommendation unless it wouldn’t cover very specific use cases).

Just for fun ballpark info:
- a 2620 (a hexacore from 2012) has a geekbench score of 390 (Single-Core Score) & 1902 (Multi-Core Score),
- an i3 12th gen (a classic quadcore from 2022 with a fraction of the power/heat, twice the max memory bandwidth) has 2147 (Single-Core Score) & 6766 (Multi-Core Score).

Aww!!

Always improves my day seeing Sandy.

This prob looked really pretty before all the concrete.

The other perpetrator:

Besides privacy also moral reasons, using megacorps services means giving them money/power/data which in turn helps them do all the direct & indirect evils they do & influence (from exploiting monopolies & influencing demand side, to lobbying for lower taxes & legislature to keep/increase their monopoly, even just blankly supporting fascists political options bcs that has a great chance to enrich their shareholder value regardless of all the other effects, etc).

You know, try to leave a better place than you got it & whatnot.

Fellow meme historian!!
(Or more like eyewitness of the great meme events of 3000 years ago.)

Fellow meme connoisseur/scholar.

Really?
A group so degenerate they don’t even shitpost??

Wait, I don’t have to update it through dev mode?