Gonna be extremely funny when a transbian furry puppygirl polycule figures out how to hack the master control server and set their killbots to Eat The Rich mode.
Don’t assume my genders
Sad thing is, most of us are so brainwashed into being cattle, it wouldn’t make any difference. We have had the power for a very long time and very rarely use it 🙄
We are out organized.
We really do have to purge the wealthy to make a better world.
Cap on how much they can own and control. Say, $100 million? Tough cookies if you think you deserve more.
It absolutely staggers me that there are people out here trying to find out a way to make capitalism work. There is no “one neat trick”. If you can accumulate wealth, then you accumulate power, and democracy under capitalism just puts the power of the state up for auction to the highest bidder.
Capitalism does not work. It can never work. It makes fascism inevitable. Capitalism needs to be completely left in the ashes of the past.
There is one way how capitalism can work, and it did work for a while:
Worker action, from voting to unionisation, strikes up to revolution are all things that happen under the umbrella of capitalism, and as much as capitalists want to ban that, it’s all just part of the same coin.
If capitalists play nice and fair, pay good wages and make sure the workers have a decent live, then the system is stable and as a reward they get stability to make business.
If they get too greedy and squeeze the workers too hard, workers push back. They form unions, vote left, start striking, and in the worst case they destroy equipment and start a revolution. This is the kind of power that the people have.
In theory.
Due to clever manipulaton, the capitalists managed to divide the working class and pit them against each other. This worked fine for a few decades, but it’s wearing thin. It will take maybe 5-15 years until it all comes to a head and explodes.
And OP is right. Back in the day you had to get the military to shoot their own people. With automated weapon systems and AI/robots performing more and more of the productivity, this balance shifts rapidly, and it will likely lead to a total system breakdown with unforeseeable results.
The Soviet Union as a counterweight was good for worker benefits as well. Keep the workers happy, keep the machine running.
Western Euro-Communism was seen as a real threat during the 1960s and 70s.
Totally this. The capitalists feared that yet another country could spiral into revolution and then communism, so they had to keep the workers happy.
The collapse of the Soviet Union combined with neoliberalism and globalism shifted the balance. Now they could always threaten their workers “If you are unhappy, we’ll move production to Singapore or Vietnam. So behave if you want to have a job.”
With AI and robots this shifts further. Let’s see where this goes.
It’s not just moving industry to countries with cheap labor, there’s also importing cheap labor.
These two things have positive effects for workers elsewhere because they get skilled and comparatively well paid jobs.
A fully globalized economy should eventually balance itself out regarding wages for similarly skilled jobs.
With AI and robots this shifts further. Let’s see where this goes.
It will be fascinating to see a post scarcity economy. Will all people work as artists, personal trainers, motivational speakers, artisanal bakers, and such?
Yeah, even the concept of money needs to be abandoned. We don’t need it.
If we don’t need it, why does practically every civilization invent it?
What’s your alternative? Barter?
“we” don’t need it. Despite every large civilisation inventing it, small civilisation (150 person village) just doesn’t. And can thrive quite happily without it.
It’s when civilisation gets larger that we “need” money. You can’t build the LHC or Artemis 2 without some form of intermediary currency. The problem is, to do that you end up with the issues of power imbalances.
We will only get 150 people villages if civilizations collapses, billions die, and humanity turns to subsistence farming. Even among 150 people, there will be trade in goods and favors. People have different talents and skills.
As soon as trade develops between villages, currency becomes extremely useful. There are seasonal goods, especially in agriculture. Sheep are shorn in spring to produce wool, much earlier than harvest for Apples and grain. So if you want to exchange wool for Apples, you need to make a contract or IOU note to deliver Apples in a few months. Now you basically have vouchers for commodities. You can then trade the Apple voucher for new metal shears because you don’t actually want Apples. Suddenly you trade vouchers for vouchers and it becomes a little cumbersome. There’s also always the risk of a voucher not being honored. So the village council decides to issue standardized vouchers that can be redeemed for grain in the community granary. Currency is reinvented because It’s extremely useful.
Anarcho-Primitivism is certainly a romantic ideology.
Yet in the real world, it isn’t the wealthiest and most powerful nations that are using drone swarms. They’re still stuck in the past.
Which tells me that militarized robots are going to be used by more than only wealthy and powerful people/nations.
When the AI bubble bursts the shareholders behind AI companies will buy the liquidated assets and transfer ownership to their other companies.
Thats why they’re desperately ramping up computing capacity now while they still have a relatively centralized mechanism to do it. Building data centers and pre purchasing chips/cards that haven’t even been built yet.
Sam Altman is just a puppet. He’s calling for UBI etc but IMO that’s just cuz they’re gonna use UBI to placate workers into allowing AI to replace us; and in the long term our ability to sustain ourselves independently from their subscription based AI infrastructure.
They’re ramping up compute capacity because it’s their only advantage over small developers and other countries, not because it actually works. China has demonstrated that smaller, cheaper, purpose built LLMs are more sustainable than trying to make LLMs into AGI. The bubbly obsession with building more data centers is driven more by hype than by material reality.
The guillotine of the future will have an onboard purpose built AI to guide it to find heads to chop.
It’s not about AI or AGI tho. It’s about controlling the working class’ access to computing so that they can charge us for it.
Like once they have the data centers built they can do a lot more than just run LLMs. They can host local security/surveillance infrastructure.
And the bubble burst is by design. Its a classic pump and dump. It will literally be triggered by the shareholders cashing out and leaving everyone else holding the bag. They’ll buy all the liquidated AI assets at a bargain and still have plenty left over to buy up the rest of our economy at pennies on the dollar.
These people are cretins with no regard for us. We are chattel to them.
They couldn’t even control Iran’s access. Gaza was the most surveilled place on Earth, and the Al-Aqsa Flood still happened.
There are limitations to what they can actually do, even with all their power. Stop doomering, people who have much harder lives than you do have found ways to fight back. You’re just making excuses.
I’m not a doomer you’re just strawmanning what I’m saying without addressing any of the substance.
I’ve worked in real estate and seen companies get liquidated. I’m not making shit up. These are real economic mechanisms.
I don’t know what Hamas has to do with global economics. I said pump and dump and you said gaza is the most surveilled place on earth.
And what does that have to do with Iran? Are you suggesting Trumps blockade on hormuz refutes the future potential of AI?
You’re making more insults than arguments my dude.
Companies are being liquidated because the AI bubble is causing Dutch disease, it’s sucking the air out of the rest of the economy to inflate itself bigger and bigger. That doesn’t demonstrate potential of AI, that demonstrates the irrationality of markets.
We’re talking about guillotines and we’re talking about everyone with wealth and power having militarized robots so that there’s no hope to ever resist them (doomerism), so obviously we need to talk about Iran and Hamas. They’re the ones decapitating the empire right now, even though they’ve been deprived access in ways much more severe than we have or we probably ever will be.
What I’m suggesting is they (the wealthy and powerful) can have as many killbots as they want, they can’t stop us.
Today’s guillotine is the HESA Shahed 136.
Look I think you’re misunderstanding where I’m coming from. I’m merely elaborating on the intentions of the billionaire class. Please don’t misconstrue their expectations as my beliefs. I have had personal relationships with people in that class. They’re fucked in the head. Nothing quite like the look they give you when you say something “too poor”. Took me way too long to realize our friendship was one sided and in fact transactional.
That doesn’t demonstrate potential of AI, that demonstrates the irrationality of markets.
Completely agree. However capitalism’s artificial scarcity generates demand even when the supply is slop. I’ve worked for a few companies that did wrong by their clients but stayed in business cuz nobody else wanted to do that bs. In the context of AI, it’s gonna be slop, but the billionaires don’t care. Enshiffication right?
Like based on your username I’m gonna assume don’t have to tell you that the billionaires are crashing our economy on purpose for their benefit. What’s going on right now is a giant ball and cup game. They’re just moving around the money, converting it to assets, and sneaking them off the table when we’re not looking while still taking new bets. When the house of cards falls they’ll walk away with the table.
What I’m suggesting is they (the wealthy and powerful) can have as many killbots as they want, they can’t stop us.
You’re right but that doesn’t mean the rich won’t bet on you being wrong. Nor is it mutually exclusive to us being pragmatic before things devolve into cannon foddering ourselves into killbots. And we are. Case and point all the aforementioned new data centers being canceled.
I just want people to understand the true depth of callous disregard the billionaire class has for us sooner than later.
Ok, I hate the elite rich rulers just as much as you, probably more even, but still I think this kind of nothing burger hate porn against some imaginary cabal with evil masterplans is actually detrimental to the cause. These are literally like 10 people that are so disconnected from normal people that they are basically ill from it, and most of them act just… childish. They lucked into it most of them, and are serenaded as geniuses until they lose contact with any way to look at themselves and ask what they want and regressed into, well babies. First of the ideas to connect is that they don’t need to control any masses. They have it by means of just how capitalist societies are set up, the rich get richer. There is no way to drop down to become a proletariat. It is impossible, even by fucking up every second for the rest of their lives as much as possible, there will be a gap down to the “rich upper class”. But even if they did, they could never adopt the culture of the upper class. The tools that serve as officers in the class war and spend lives working out different ways to pretend they provide value. Most of the class war is in reality fought by giant soulless entities that shed the involvement of, say a president vp, “Boss”, like nothing because they are multinational machines with culture and “legal person” status whatever the fuck that is. For these demonic unstoppable planet killer entities, profits is the only goal and zealous lawyer servants and fallen lobbyist dealers make sure that happens, if only to suckle for a bit longer. They know full well how replaceable they are, and are either sociopaths or has chosen to push deep deep down that they are in fact doing crimes against humanity and actually perform actions that will destroy the planet on behalf of something that is not even alive, so that they can taste a whiff of the abundance that the elite enjoy.The media conglomorate and political jesters do engage in secret objectives, but they don’t have control.
In like terms of prevention of upproar or anti rebel operations, the weapon makers are trying to automate riot control openly, and they suck at it. They are not even close to the insane ingenuity we see from the Ukraine defense strategy. We see a whole people engaging in spirited and necessary invention, modernization and training, because they are under attack.
But in terms of who is responsible for controlling the masses, just looking at qanon and the_donald operations when it now has leaked that they were psyops we can reduce that holy god they truly suck at their jobs. Just read any cia declassified destabilization or attempt at controlling masses of people. You will be calmed by how intensely inept they are at the art form, and I think forevermore youth shall never be controlled because any attempt without fail has been met with feces and, well, mostly blood, but also they never successfully controlled any masses for longer than some brief moments where any agenda was spent as a tipping point suggestion, but then botched and either blew up in their face or they shat themselves or it would have happened anyway. If any psyop was successful it’s because they hope it was them. It’s like with the sharks in lending and hedgefunds. They openly rig the system and pay the fines, then brag about making more than the fine that they in any case pay because it was easier for the lawyers to settle as the bitch in the relationship, like all politicians do in a hypercapitalist society.
All in all, no cabal and it’s dangerous to give them a shadowy intelligence avatar when they are just human like us but with more power. The demonic entities that are harikiring the planet to win a ritual of highlander style king of the hill race to extinction of the human race is maybe something worth more attention as they are barreling through our last shred of hope for the next generation to be able to live and eat due to the planet becoming an insane bio wmd itself from the incredible journey of big oil astroturfing campaigns that makes the four horsemen look like amateurs
Been holding on to this one for a while
I love it, but why the petty downvotes?
