“I don’t disagree, but there is disagreement” Is essentially what he’s saying. WTF. Just say you fucking disagree, or if you don’t, why the fuck say anything at all? Is it because you’re a homophobe?
So he thinks other issues should be focused on, but wastes time addressing this? How is reciting a prayer for a few additional couples taking away from Equality? Seems to me, it helps the issue, no?
Leo does a god job of being Pope, in that he is a centrist. Everyone can have something they agree and disagree with him; that way he is guaranteed to reach a wider audience.
Periodic reminder: the Episcopal Church exists. Has all the rituals and sacraments, the Apostolic Succession, but also ordains women and Queer people to the priesthood and blesses their marriages. The Episcopal Church is present in Germany (part of the Episcopal Church in Europe, formerly known as the Convocation of Episcopal Churches in Europe).
so the catholic church but it is not catholic nor a church?
I’m not sure I understand this question. It’s literally a church and it defines itself as part of the “One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church” same as the Roman Catholic Church does. That latter part is debated by the Roman Catholic Church (but even Pope Paul VI was open to the fact that Anglican Christianity sits in a space quite different from that of “Protestantism” writ large–the Episcopal Church is part of the global community of Anglican churches, being rooted in the Church of England).
a church that supports sin instead of trying to lesd people to Christ?-
Okay, now I see where you’re coming from. If you actually want to engage with some different thinking about Christianity, here’s a thing I wrote a ways back regarding same-sex marriage and the Church. It’s not perfect and was debated a fair bit on a different Lemmy thread several weeks back, but I think it helps introduce some key thinking about this topic. But for some reason I suspect that you’re not interested in a good-faith discussion.
the church of England, ah yes
Catholic but really not doesnt follow the pope at all
hmmmmmm
It’s almost like there’s a religion that covers most all beliefs. Like the religious machine doesn’t even care who gives them money while providing moral elitism at the same time
Why would gay couples want to be blessed by a religion that actively demonizes them?
Because they were raised Catholic and they want their church to stop demonizing them. Blessing them would be a start. People are taught religion from a young age, perhaps younger than they have any kind of sexual identity. Therefore their whole concept of “them” may be as much Catholic as it is gay.
Why are there gay MAGAs?
There are plenty of LBG Christians. I will try to give you the 1 paragraph answer from a protestant. All humans are sinners so religion “activity demonized” all of humanity. But luckily, all sins are forgiven through Jesus Christ. So whilst they may be living in sin, so is everyone and we are all forgiven equally.
If you didn’t actually want an answer then it is you own fault for including the question mark.proof?
To troll the pope
Of course he is. See, gay couples have less kids, which will further reduce the catholics numbers… cause most religious people were indoctrinated as kids. The number of adults who willingly become catholic if not raised catholic is tiny in comparison. So they need to keep the gays among them pretending to be straight and having kids for show and proof.
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you guys think disenchantment is a documentary dont you
leader of child rape ring says something scummy… this is news?
In reality, I believe there are much greater, more important issues, such as justice, equality
mf saying they want to focus on equality while at the same time saying gay couples blessings, something that would bring EQUALITY, isn’t a priority… make it make sense 🤡
the church will never do gay couple blessings as they are sinful and they cannot engage and support sin
support the sinners, not the sin
Since the “they” modifies the church, that means the church is sinful? Agreed. In that case, what…Christians support the paedophiles, not the paedophilia?
“they” refers to the act of homosexuality im european (not british nor american) so forgive my grammar
we are all sinners
and the Church supports EVERYBODY not their sins
If Adolf Hitler walked into the Church, he would be allowed to confess his sins and become a Catchumen
He meant it in a Catholic sense; material equality.
They believe marriage is for the sole purpose of procreation, which is their little loophole. They’re so weird about it that I’m surprised they’ve never pushed fertility tests as a pre requisite before allowing a marriage ceremony.
They don’t believe that. They just say that. It’d be crazy if they actually believed it. Any reasonable person knows it’s just bad faith rhetoric, not a true belief.
Having been raised in the faith (I’ve walked away for a multitude of reasons) I assure you they do believe it. You’re not even allowed to take contraceptives or have a vasectomy
If that actually were the belief, sterile people would not be allowed to be married, and people’s marriages would be annualled when they become sterile, through age or otherwise. Unless they’re asking for these, they do not believe it. They may believe that they believe it, but they don’t.
They say those things are god’s will and thus not an issue. They leave the door open for “miracles” to occur.
Then they should be happy with same sex marriages. A miracle might occur with them just as well.
marriage is a union between man and woman, as per the Bible
Bats are birds, as per the Bible. Donkeys talk, as per the Bible. Slave owning is cool as long as you don’t beat them to death, as per the Bible.
There’s plenty of stuff in the Bible that’s utter garbage.
verses please
Weak bait
not bait nor weak
Then they should dissolve their marriages once their children move out, having fulfilled its only purpose. Staying married after you’re done having kids is lust, pride, and vanity.
/s
Infertility is a cause for marriage annulation. So it’s controlled, but a posteriori.
If they truly believe that then why are they all celibate? They are chalk full of pedophiles too. Why I hate any post praising the pope. Fucker also lives like a king. Wonder how many of the popes are pedophiles themselves.
Historically the priesthood/other holy orders was a place to toss the weird people or undesirable heirs. It was a convenient way for the gay uncle to have a respectable job and explain why they didn’t have a wife. It was also a way to keep pedo types isolated but productive, at least until resources led to many orders dissolving.
Priests cannot marry. Marriage and the Priesthood (Holy Orders) are the only sacraments that are mutually exclusive.
Eastern Catholic priests can marry, actually. There are married Catholic priests out there right now, and not because they converted in from Anglicanism after they married (though those exist, too), but fully cradle Catholics who were married before their vocation. Somehow this has not exploded the church or whatever. It is inconsistent and ridiculous.
Had never heard of that before, thanks for the info
This is one of those pieces of info I try to slip in whenever possible. I’m a firm believer that celibacy is bad for the mind, body, and soul when it’s forced on people. Priests may go into it willingly, but years and years of it with no reprieve does bad things to people’s minds. If the church could make one reform that I genuinely believe would be best, it is the celibacy of clergy. Tons of reforms needed, but that one is the one I think needs to happen soonest.
Still stupid it’s nowhere in the bible. Makes me believe the priest thing was made for repressed pedophiles.
The actual reason is because the church was protecting its assets from the priests. Back then, priests were very powerful members of local government and controlled a large percentage of the wealth in an area. If they could get married and had kids, their kids would inherit the wealth they accumulated instead of that wealth going to the church.
Some animals are more equal than others.
Some people are more animals than others.
Breaking news: The Pope is still Catholic!
And also a pedophile protector. Don’t forget the church is full of them.
I’m convinced that the church has always seen the molestation of boys as a recruitment strategy. Most go on with their lives after being abused, but some probably learn to like it, and they stay in the church, and then do it themselves. This has probably been a pattern for literally centuries, and is responsible for a significant number of recruits.
Celibacy has never been a strong draw, any other strategy that brings in recruits can’t be easily dismissed.
Whoever typed that was probably a child rapist themselves.
huh?
yall are just re-enacting 1800s america now
how was a random person working for the church a rapist?
proof?
you realize the KKK treated catholics like they treated black people
“all priests are pedophiles” is like “all black people are thieves”
It’s nothing like that. Because all black people aren’t thieves. That’s racism. Calling all priests pedophiles is just facing reality.
Your entire religion is based around child molestation and rape. That is what your God is about. That is what your Jesus is about…
I have a hard time believing that Catholicism can be pure evil. I can accept that child molestation and rape play a major role, but EVERYTHING?
People are fucked up, yeah, but a lot of us are decent too
I would like ANY sort of proof for this
All major religions are full of pedophile protectors.
That’s because they’re essentially cults
every religion is a cult. That’s how religions start.
Hey, just because they’re a cult doesn’t mean they attract and protect pedophiles. I’ve been in several cults that don’t tolerate that shit.
hmm like which ones
The Cult of GILFS is probably pretty safe
Is it though, STD rates at old people living facilities are astronomical
Why are you joining cults? Seems like weird hobby.
Sometimes you just gotta keep looking until you find one that’s the right fit, y’know?
From the way he has been talked about on the web for several months you would guess he wasn’t
When everyone else seems to be in a race to the shitheel bottom, the Catholic Church remaining who they’ve always been feels somewhat better in comparison.
What did he even say that enticed people?!
war is bad
treat people with respect
What psycho countries do you live in?
So many people are cowering in the face of this fascist admin that anyone willing to stand up at all is given props by many. Look at Anthropic, they’re shady as hell and people are still gobbling their knobs for at least having some level of standards.
My prime minister stood up to Usa. Most of Europe did. While bring far more progressive. People should drop the pope and praise us instead.
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Am I misreading? leo is saying he does NOT agree with the cardinal saying it’s fine for same-sex marriage?
“The Holy See has made it clear that we do not agree with the formalized blessing of couples, in this case, homosexual couples, as you asked, or couples in irregular situations, beyond what was specifically, if you will, allowed for by Pope Francis in saying all people receive blessings,” he saidOr, without all the fluff
“The Holy See has made it clear that we do not agree with the formalized blessing of couples ... beyond what was specifically ... allowed for by Pope Francis in saying all people receive blessings,” he saidSo if Francis said it was ok; it’s fine. But it seems like Francis said it wasn’t fine.
At the same time though, I’ve started to loose trust in media outlets and idk how reputable NewsWeek
Francis said you can bless everyone all at once, including gay people, at the end of the sermon. Some want to make it a stand alone blessing like those given at weddings. Leo is saying you cannot do that, but can still bless everyone.
Loose the trust where? You shouldn’t let your trust just run wild. I’d keep it secure.
I usually let my trust run around off leash at the parks
~ffs, every time… lol~
Newsweek is not reputable.
OK, for marriage. Not OK for unmarried relationships. That’s how I read it as well.
Yeah. Cause he’s still a homophobic piece of shit, he’s just an anti-war homophobic piece of shit. We should not be surprised by this.
homophobic? homophobic means hating gay people the pope does not hate ANY people he hates their sin all are welcome within the church
Just as I hate your sin of being a dumb fuck, but I love you as a person still.
thats not a sin and thanks
figured as much, i guess. TIL the catholic church is bigoted as fuck. More at ten.
To his credit he is slightly less homophobic than is the norm for the Catholic Church. But that’s kind of like saying someone is less fascist than Mussolini. Objectively better than the alternative, but not actually good.
Yeah, I’m sure he can turn a blind eye on gay sex if it’s between a grown man and a little boy.
Just today you learned the Catholic Church is bigoted?
Woosh
Sure you’re using that correctly?
Yes
