regardless of what anyone might think of Iran, this is evil
Nothing Iran has ever done is even comparable to what Israel and the US have done in the past 3 years alone.
Of all the countries that need to be dissolved entirely as political entities, Israel and US are far higher on the list than Iran
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israel hae to make sure they weren’t out evillled (?) be iran
What anyone thinks of Iran should pale in comparison to what they think of the US. Truly the most evil nation since Nazi Germany.
did you forget Russia exists? or China?
Did you hit your head as a baby?
You mean the two countries tied for 3rd place in the most evil country competition?
recency bias and the US outsized reputation makes it seem that I’m sure but lol if you think this is true
we’re just more free to complain about it, probably not for much longer though
so if you think it’s bad now buckle up and I say this as a generational casualty of US colonialism
Its not receny bias. The US didnt just turn evil in Jan 2025.
How are are all those black prisoners working in privatised prisons doing by the way?
China has 4 times the population as the US, yet the US still has the largest prison population on Earth.
Slavery never ended in america.
Land of the free my hole. Its literally the least free country on the planet.
who said anything about 2025? even if you want to peg the US evil starting with Nixon (which isn’t perfectly true as we were war profiteering in ww1/2) that’s recent, the US is a baby nation
now you’re just throwing strawman arguments, I don’t support any of this shit the US is currently doing, it’s just stupid to think China hasn’t done worse in the last century, isn’t doing equally evil shit now
not to get all tankie on you, but China has thus far managed to restrain themselves from bombing other countries’ civilian populations.
dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’
like again I really don’t want to frame this like the US is the good guy, the US is not, but as a matter of scale currently China is still worse
China has been worse than Nazi Germany
all that said, US is trying real hard to be #1 in something again so yay!
fuck I hate this
Do explain how China has been worse than Nazi Germany, sounds like delusion.
i’m not going to repeat myself it’s in the last post
You didn’t explain anything anywhere though?
Downplaying the genocide carried out by the nazis is actually sickening, and i’m sick of people whitewashing them.
It’s a crypto fascist.
You realize there has been three China since 1900? Qing dynasty -> Republic of china -> Current China. Also wtf are you even saying? You know the first thing that comes out from “Chinese atrocities from 1900” in google is the boxer’s rebellion? A push back from the people against the invading foreign powers that were starving China? This is like blaming Hamas/Hezbollah for pushing back against Israel, which i imagine you also disapprove of. Truth is that for most of the 19/20th century, China has been a recipient of atrocities by foreign invaders not a perpetrator, you should be aware of this if you’re so aware about the scale of China.
dude spend two min googling ‘Chinese atrocities from 1900’
Ok, I did that exact thing verbatim, and the entire first page of results are things that happened before anyone here was born.
I’m not about to claim they’re saintly in any way, for sure they have lots of well-documented internal issues with civil liberties, free speech, and oppression of minority groups, but the fact that you’re going so far into the past to make your case just makes it a case in support of the opposite view.
Ok, I did that exact thing verbatim, and the entire first page of results are things that happened before anyone here was born.
Also the first result is literally a rebellion against invading foreign powers lmao.
recency bias, there are people still alive that were directly impacted
but thank you for actually reading about it
but yes the US is bad, i’m not defending it
but sure as fuck China doesn’t get to hand wave the past away
and not all of their evils have stopped
they’re just not being currently ran by an orange buffoon
the US had evil shit going on under Obama and yet the world image of the US was much better then
recency bias
lol, by that argument you’re a bedwetter who suckles on your mother’s breast and doesn’t know how to read or write
Both are bad, neither is worse than the US.
Just going by invasions and regime changes alone the US takes the cake. That’s before you get into the spreading crack into black communities, chemical weapons on civilians, drone strikes on children, ecological destruction, genocide enabling, etc etc.
i hate defending the US because it has had more direct bad impact on my life but by measure of lost life i’d still argue modern Russia is worse, and if we lump current China to not even that long ago China the numbers killed are not even close
the scale of China’s population just blows it all out of proportion
Nazi Germany wasn’t even the worst genocide of its time (what a putrid statement though true)
you sound like a nazi
Wow you’re truly stupid lmao.
50+million chinese people and the ughyger genocided people would like to have a word with you.
huh? write out your point like I’m 5 because it sounds like we agree and i’m confused
Do you condemn Wihthe genocide?
Learn to spell
by measure of lost life i’d still argue modern Russia is worse
Idk what lost life you’re counting, because it’s pretty well known that civilian casualties in just the Iraq war most likely dwarf Ukrainian losses.
ffs google, it is painful when i can tell people are not even trying and just mad at the US
i get it i do, US is doing bad shit but it’s obvious you’re not even trying to look
Oh indeed thanks for telling me that I need to google your vague and in no way clarified idea of what Russia is doing, when I can read goddamn Russian language itself and have been reading independent Russian-language opposition media covering Russian reality for ages, and know a whole lot more about it than you do.
By numbers US is probably worse but the level of cruelty from Russia is unmatched outside of terrorist organizations
Would it really be tho?
Like the US targets children and social gatherings to attack, tortures/rapes/murders innocent civilians in black sites, keeps a racial based underclass who they hook on drugs, violently assault from childhood, and lock up in record numbers to serve as legal slave labour. That’s pretty fucking cruel stuff.
How so? You’d have to bring up Tsarist Russia atrocities to match American ones. I for one can’t think of something more cruel than napalming villages in Vietnam, or dropping nukes on civilians in Japan, and that’s just a couple of examples in the vast bucket of wsr crimes of the US.
Ideas are more powerful than weapons. They don’t want their enemies to have weapons, why would they allow them to have ideas?
Its a war of extermination.
Yes but some of them chanted Death to America – completely uncalled for – so what goes around comes around
Those chants were pretty epic. Also they have some nice anti-USA murals like this one:
مرك بر آمريكا - “mrk br amrika”
anybody knows what it means?
Marg bar Âmrikâ - It’s a declaration of their love towards Amerikkka
Gotta admit that mural is pretty fire.
Completely uncalled for
Someone doesn’t know a lick of history.
Oh god who let .ml and hexbear into these comments
There’s a dumb dumb feddit and world user but I actually don’t see any tankie comments here lol
Nah legit, the anti-tankie brigade puts out their delusion before the tankies even show… every time
Muting those instances made Lemmy a lot more pleasant. Highly recommended
And thus, debate is dead, and your cozy bubble is formed. I get banning troll users, but banning a whole instance is a step towards killing what the federation is supposed to stand for.
These people want no debates or opinions they dont agree with… They cant stand it.
They want that bubble because it makes sense to them. The world becomes simple.
Do you even know what you’re talking about?
I get what you’re saying, but there is no objective defence for what is Russia doing in Europe. Anyone who sides with Russia or defends Russia either has personal interests in it, or the person is so easily brainwashed they’re more dangerous than LLMs
Those extremists are not here to debate. They are here to push propaganda. Why would you want to engage with someone who isn’t arguing in good faith?
Those “extremists”, including me, only push back when a fascist comes out and brings up how evil China is in a thread about the US bombing Iran. The only people pushing propaganda are these fascists trying to excuse the criminal actions of the US and Israel.
E.g. https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11209483/8011201, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11209483/8012767, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11209483/8009784
Nope, it’s the best decision I made. I don’t want to debate extremists that start insulting me as soon as a I don’t agree with all of their takes.
And btw at least with my client/instance, banning an instance doesn’t ban the users, so you can still interact with them on other instances.
Edit: And I don’t want to generalise, I’m sure there are .ml users that are fine. But I’ve had enough bad interactions with them that it warrants an instance ban.
the only other .ml that isnt politicals just engage in tech content like they are supposed to. somehow tankies co-opted .ml as a political haven, might have something to do with a tankie developer though.
That’s no debate with insincerity, only a platform for lies.
Can’t debate a bot.
There’s a difference between debating and toxic fascism
How to do that?
they can smell russia/china criticism and they come like rabid dogs.
I wish israel will be put in huge gas chamber.
Zionists, the word is zionists.
The United States of ISISrael
He is not satisfied destroying education in the just US.
Iran needs to stop holding back and demolish all universities in Israel. This is fucking ridiculous. They’re setting your country back decades if not more. If you’re still sticking to some abstract morality while the future of your people is stolen from them, you’re a fucking idiot.
I think military bases and data centers make better targets.
What Israel doing is provocation because they want a war.
universities are also part of the military infrastructure.
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I’m a bit confused, who lost?
It’s a hasbara bot. Probably thinks the war is over from being spoon fed Trump propaganda.
You haven’t seen shit yet, you’re gonna be crying in your bunkers before this is over
“Holding back” isn’t really what they’re doing. It’s hard to justify attacking a school when doing so puts your already diminished resources at risk. Every time they launch a missile that launcher platform is highlighted for attack just like we’ve seen in Ukraine, but arguably even worse.
If you’re going to risk losing valuable assets then you have to justify it with valuable targets.
Destroying Israeli universities wouldn’t actually advance Iran’s cause but could well lose them some of the small amount of international support they’re enjoying. I’m not saying they should be any more scrupulous than anyone else, or than they’re currently being, but they should, and presumably would prefer to, concentrate their efforts on targets that could actually impact their enemy’s ability to harm them.
I remember them saying and acting like Iraq was always a place of poor literacy, conflict, and poverty and a stone age culture.
Without ever acknowledging that this was basically the point (which many said in the lead up to the war in 2002) of the Iraq war.
The US has done this exact shit off its own steam before, no need to fall back on the Israelis as defense. They utterly destroyed the North of Korea during their genocidal anti-communist war, for example.
“This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago” - a totally normal leftist response to a war crime happening today
Fuck off lib. You’ll be saying this exact same thing in a few years about Iran and pretending that the United States of Pissreal was right in doing what it’s doing today.
Your obnoxious settler states won’t last long. Count the days
Ah yes, my settler state, Ireland.
Wait
I doubt that. See, if you actually lived in ireland and wanted to complain about a monarchy, why make up one on the other side of the world, when an actual monarchy is occupying part of your country?
Maybe you actually live in a certain fake country whose name starts with “I”? That is at war with a certain real country whose name also starts with “I”?
Nil fhaois agam can sórt scoil ufásach a bhí agat, ach bfhéidir sé ró maith a cur ceist faoin thógant an argaid ar ais?
Okay, I get it, you’re european. Living off of imperial usa plunder, spreading the usa’s lies for personal benefit. It’s always the same with the imperialists.
Ah yes. Ireland’s imperial plunder. What was that about my history again?
God you libs are insufferable
Aw, you’re all here. How nice for you
genocide supporters get the woodchipper
What genocide would that be?
YouTube Communist isn’t an ethnicity
“All the koreans we genocided were youtubers” is the dumbest and most anachronistic genocide denial I ever saw
Does acting this dumb take work or does it come naturally?
Always a piefed account. Seek therapy, you’re clearly seeking attention from strangers online.
I don’t know, you’d need to tell me.
Or do you really believe koreans aren’t real humans? Most yankees are rabid dehumanizers after all.
My original question was “what ethnicity (am I in favour of genociding)” where the bracketed implication involves 40th percentile reading skills. Assuming you meet that criterion, you might get the second sentence meant that murdering every last YouTube Communist would not count as an answer, as it’s not an ethnicity.
Ach bhfeider an ceist seo ró deachar don paiste iPad Mhericáin
may your death be as long and agonizing as possible
Hey look, a yank wishing a socialist death. They really get it deep into your psyche don’t they?
A fascist calling himself a socialist? Now where have I seen that before?
You ok?
This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago
Are you referring to North Korea? The DPRK has a cult of personality thing going on, for sure. But that hadn’t developed yet, by the time of the Korean war. Rather the DPRK was a really quite vibrant multi-party Socialist democracy.
The overwhelming dominance of the WPK, and the ostensible sidelining of other parties and organizations in the Supreme People’s Assembly only starts to occur after the war. With the genocidal bombing of the Korean peninsula by the United States, and subsequent economic and diplomatic isolation, being the primary engine which drove political centralization.
Compare the results of 1948 SPA election results with those of 1957.
Cool. Not sure what it has to do with North Korea being their favourite monarchy today though?
The person you responded to was talking about the United States’ war in Korea:
They utterly destroyed the North of Korea during their genocidal anti-communist war, for example
You responded with:
“This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago” - a totally normal leftist response to a war crime happening today
The DPRK, in no way, resembled a monarchy prior to the Korean war, like you implied. The DPRK developing such a centralized cult of personality, and took up it’s particular foreign policy positions, as a direct result of US war and occupation.
The US and Israel indiscriminately bombing civilian targets in Iran with the explicit intention of inducing some sort of societal collapse is absolutely comparable to the Korean war.
The response of Iran to dig in its heels, appoint the previous Supreme Leader’s son as his successor, and take up such an aggressive posture, is also a direct result of US intervention, and has clear parallels to the DPRK example.
These countries, like Iran and North Korea, are the way that they are, not in a vacuum. Not because They’re ontologically evil. But because they’re responding to genuinely horrific conditions imposed upon them by the United States.
Whatever we might feel about them. Even if I don’t like that the DPRK has developed this cult of personality around the Kims, that fact is secondary to the material reality of what has caused this state of affairs in the first place.
You’re not getting dragged in this thread because “Le Stoopid Takies Luv Teh Commie Monarchy!1!” But because you’re missing the forest for the trees.
If you actually care about the People of the DPRK, and ending the Kim’s cult of personality, then you should want a formal end to the Korean War, the withdrawal of all US military assets from the peninsula, and for there to be UN mediated talks between North and South Korea about how they might be able to integrate, politically, socially, and economically.
Similarly, if you actually care about the people of Iran, and the wider middle east, you should want an end to this war, withdrawl of all US military bases from the region, the dissolution of Israel, in favor of a multi-ethnic Palestine with right of return and reparations for all Palestinians, and a laying down of arms for all Iranian-backed non-state actors who would no longer need to fight in the absence of Israel.
Complaining about Tankies online does none of this
God what a screed for 8 valuable words.
The person who responded did not choose North Korea out of the blue. They chose North Korea because they like North Korea today. America and/or Israel have committed more recent genocides and more egregious genocides. Even literally in the 1950s.
That’s the weird thing. And weird is all it was, not even incorrect. That that was the first thing to mind is ridiculous. All the rest of it is just tankurbation
Not reading allat essay, dissolve the US
Oh no, not the US
“This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago”
Yeah because famously only the DPRK’s ruling family was in North Korea; when you attack a country that everyone cries about and calls a dictatorship, famously only the ruling people are hurt by it (and it’s spelled ‘favorite’; what are you English?)
to a war crime happening today
If you have the mental capacity to understand that tons of innocent people get hurt by these demonic bombing campaigns, try and see if you can stretch it further to imagine what it would look like when you do it to countries in Asia as well (do some warming up exercises first, you don’t want to hurt yourself)
We don’t require any lessons in English, thank you.
I’m Irish, but I don’t expect you to understand enough about countries that aren’t talked about on Google Videos as much as Jucheland
Your ancestors are ashamed of you. Death to the EU as well
disgusting that an Irish person is so ignorant about the crimes of settler colonialism you spineless imperialist running dog
“Anyone who hasn’t based their political opinions on my extremely niche online bubble is ignorant”
Hey this tankietranslator saves so much time
Remind me what North Korea and Ireland have in common? It will be handy for my Irish history exams 30 years ago
In one, you pay rent to live, while the other one lives rent-free in your head
Get it? Rent-free
Because they got rid of the parasitic landlords
Have no fun paying rent to parasites, br*tish monarchy bootlicker
most historically literate mick
What a way to interpret a comment that said nothing like that. They just pointed out how the comprehensive bombing campaign resembles the level of destruction done to another sovereign nation.
And the first one that came to mind was fucking North Korea, because that’s a totally normal, not terminally online thought process for a socialist
So your first thought was “Lets mock this person for bringing up a relevent historical point”?
lol, what a tool
relevant
Ok buddy
It’s always amazing to me how libs have to constantly make up interpretations and arguments to fight against. One of the reasons I left piefed was that people kept yelling at me for saying things that I never said.
Like, I get that liberalism is openly failing right now, but maybe do some self-analysis on why that is, rather than building strawmen.
There are a disturbing amount of people who just can’t read and will just make up what they think you said to fill in the blanks of their skimming
Yes everything to the left of supporting North Korea is liberalism
May you live to vote for as many actual socialists and communists as I have.
Correction, that is not Israel’s goal. Israel’s goal is to expand their own territory, and it should never be allowed.
If Israel’s goal was the collapse of the Iranian state then that would be admirable because it’s a horrible fucking state. But, again, it is not.
A failed state doesn’t just imply the fall of a government, it refers to a degradation of the conditions of a country such that effective governance by anyone is impossible for a period. Think like has happened in Somalia, or Haiti. I’m not going to claim that the Iranian government is a particularly admirable one, but that kind of condition would be even worse for the people living there, and the chances of that process resting in something significantly better when the country finally recovers again aren’t terribly high.
TBH I think even total anarchy, with roving bands of raiders, might be better than a country that wages war on every neighbor, starves its own people, and kills thousands of protestors in a short time period. The fact that they ally themselves with China is just more on the pile.
For a moment there I thought you were describing the USA. Except they align with Putin. And kill kidnapped people secretly in concentration camps. But they too like shooting civilians in the streets occasionally.
You won’t hear any complaints from me if you support killing Trump or funding the resistance, as long as that resistance isn’t backed by something worse like China.
That said, even at it’s weakest the state of the USA is leagues above the hardships faced by Iranian civillians.
I see they brainwashed you good
Total racist
Nothing is worse than the US.
The US has the worlds largest prison population to facilitate racial slave labour, it covertly medical tests on its people, forces sterilisation on people it deems undesirable, engages in international genocide, promotes fascism and mass murders in foreign lands, and so and so on. It is the most evil, harmful and destructive nation in history.
lmfao
Iran executes gay people and helped Israel (who is also worse than the USA) start a genocide.
The US rapes children and covers it up.
And Iran did not help Israel start a genocide. Fuck off with that “oh they helped Palestinians/Hamas defend themselves, that means they’re responsible for Israel’s genocide” shit take you keep trying to push.
Death to the US. It was founded on genocide. It is nothing more than a much more successful Israel. Both US and Israel must be dissolved if humanity is to progress
True, let’s hope Israel falls into Anarchy. Ah wait, they only starve the people they ethnically clean, are you talking about Israel???
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They realize they have to kill them slow or else other countries will step in. It’s also why they’re fighting tooth and nail against the ICC’s genocide determination, even having VISA and Mastercard blacklist the judge.
bombing this institute solves anything how exactly?
You’re arguing with a strawman on that one.
no I’m advocating that attacking institutions of medicine and science runs counter to actually improving anything you claim to care about
these were the people least likely to be a party to the actual Iranian atrocities
i can’t tell if you are just arguing in bad faith, some kid inheriting beliefs from older family members or just not too bright
Oh wow so cool
Except I never defended attacking those institutions? In fact, I condemned Israel for their actions. So you’re literally arguing against a made up person who holds the stances you oppose. You’re basically having a self-argument and forcing me to witness it.
Fuck off fed
If Israel’s goal was the collapse of the Iranian state then that would be admirable because it’s a horrible fucking state.
pick less inflammatory words then because it reads like you do
they’re obviously just an idiot don’t even bother lol, in one comment goes full anarchist, in other praises the great state of the USA for, don’t laugh, “investigating and prosecuting” epstein mates!
curiously just hates all US enemies too
Anarchy is not roving bands of raiders. That’s Mad Max you’re thinking of.
Anarchy is a way of living without a hierarchical authority dictating to the people.
It doesn’t have to be, but it certainly can be. I’ll have you know that the roving band of raiders are well read anarcho-communists helpfully enforcing their anti-hierarchical beliefs via a system of rotating shifts of community enforcers of public safety and security, and forcefully redistributing food. It’s just that this specific case happens to involve killing everyone who disagrees with them.
you’re insanely stupid, go touch grass.
So you’re implying that Russia’s attack on Ukraine should have never been allowed as well - but I have yet to see any American 🇺🇸 troups there.
I see their long range missiles there, despite every effort by the compromised Trump admin.
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That would be a really great argument, if not for the fact that Palestine has been shrinking in land area for decades and that Netanyahu’s regime helped Iran supply funds and weapons to Hamas.
All they are doing is creating generations of future enemies.
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I take some slogans everyday instead of death and destruction.
Why on earth would they not want death to the west? It’s not like we haven’t deserved it. Israel is way more extreme than either Hamas or Hezbollah. That’s what happens when you create an ethnostate, arm them to the teeth, and back them unconditionally for generations.
one thousand new hamas’es, so they can continue to have someone to point to while they do their genocides
They don’t need hamas to commit genocide. See e.g. the west bank. They will find an excuse anyway, at least hamas actually puts up a resistance.
Bold of you to assume the US and Israel will last generations in their current forms.
The Nazis didn’t create generations of future enemies for Germany.
No country lasts generations in a static form. That’s not a thing.
which is why authoritarians in thier last grasp of power, is trying everything to distract thier own population, and others from an internal uprising.
but they will be poor and potentially malnutrition and potentially civil warring for the foreseeable future.
At least that seems to be the hope
Good way to ensure that whatever regime rises from the ashes will be even more backwards than the last.
I mean, that is their goal.
If anything, I think this will motivate the government to build even more.
Science is also how they can cause such devastation. Maybe all you scientists should stop empowering the assholes who murder people?
Science didn’t put assholes in control. It is the anti science US, anti-vaxxers, climate change deniers who put them in.
But science builds the machines of war. Science unlocks the power inevitably used by those leaders to make war. Scientists are not free from responsibility just because they don’t pull the trigger. They enable the building of the entire gun. At what point to scientists say ‘no more’ and refuse to continue to empower these leaders?
Hi Ted! Didn’t know they let you have the net in there!
no one is going to put up with you advocating genocide
Your legs must be very strong to have made such a great leap in reasoning.
you are blaming scientist in a thread about a research hospital being blown up
if you don’t like be called out, stop being an edgy little bitch
smarmy comments in the face of an institution like this being destroyed is supporting genocide
Who made the bombs, the targetting systems, the deliver mechanisms, refined the chemicals, built the manufacturing systems, built the guidance systems, the satellites, the cameras, the entire technological logistics systems that empower them to do this?
Science must be held responsible for the empowerment of psychopaths whose violent use of technology and scientific insights is completely predictable and a matter of historic record.
what does any of that have to do with this fucking building, stop getting lost in your own arguments
This building blowing up was possible because of scientists. It isn’t hard to understand.
This building blowing up was possible because of humans. It isn’t hard to understand.
This building blowing up was possible because of doctors. It isn’t hard to understand.
This building blowing up was possible because of medicine. It isn’t hard to understand.
This building blowing up was possible because of people caring for their kin. It isn’t hard to understand.
This building blowing up was possible because of miners. It isn’t hard to understand.
This building blowing up was possible because of construction workers. It isn’t hard to understand.
This building blowing up was possible because of architects. It isn’t hard to understand.
…and so forth.
Reaching so far to blame other people and defend those actually killing others is as brain dead as they come. So I posted this comment to also join in the group of people observing and stating how brain dead you are.
I agree. Iran needs to bomb tf out of Israeli universities and military plants MUCH more than they already are. Israel must never ever be able to pose a threat to anyone in the region. Neuter them completely
Also the USA
Why does everyone hate us? We are good people, nice people, nobody should hate us!
Everyone means your leaders, not you. I think.
We totally never hurt anyone or ever intended yo hurt any.
Hate the government and the people who support it, not all Americans!
Americans have been supporting this kind of shit for decades, they’re all complicit at this point.
Yes, all people born into oppressive regimes that are often racistly holding them down are complicit. By that logic, the victims of apartheid states deserve it?
There haven’t been any coups. No one has taken power by force (not since they genocided the native civilizations, at least). A vast majority of Americans have voted time and time again, for decades, for this shit, and will keep doing so if there are any elections after Taarump.
Egoism, racism, imperialism, murder, child abuse, and runaway untethered capitalism are core American values. Basic principles upon which their culture is built. Don’t compare them to actual victims. They reap what they sow.
I’m trying to understand the logical conclusion of your viewpoint. Do you believe even the victims of racial oppression, often also in the form of voter suppression, are responsible for all the crimes past and present of the country they found themselves trapped in?
Are you also personally responsible for any reprehensible behavior the country you were born in has committed, past or present?
This is the way
