He is not satisfied destroying education in the just US.
I mean they already killed their own.
also following PUTINS lead, considering this was the pretext of lifting sanctions russian oil.
O.K. call me super nieve but and I mean a HUGE BUT, what if it became an actual working democracy? I know it sounds absolutely coo coo insane-o-style but a democracy with rules for the almost but not quite equal capitalism we once had. A regulated capitalism that doesn’t squash indevidual , independent voice. Or smother it with Hush money.
Such ideal popular democracies generally need a culture conducive to those. Not all cultures favor democratic politics.
Yes, the US will bomb them into a functional democracy.
I’ll have what this guy is smoking, holy shit
You are probably not aware that in the 1950 they were on a good way and the usa and britain overthrew their elected government and installed the radical regime because democratic Iran wanted to sell their oil by themselves? (Very shortend version, please search for details and nuances by yourself)
This implies that the radical regime somehow was more conducive to US interests and did not in turn want to “sell their oil by themselves” too, which is… doubtful. Had that been the case things would have turned out differently.
Yeah the US shouldnt be there but neither should the ayatollah and the council of clerics.
iran was a democracy prior to the SHAH which was installed by the UK/US. the islamic revolution /current regime is more or less US’s fault.
You’re just hoping for Iran to develop a better functioning democracy than the US after it was “bombed back to the stone ages”?
That IS super nieve.
I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic, but democracy and capitalism are fundamentally incompatible. “Equal capitalism” is an oxymoron.
Israel is the enemy of all humanity. Earth will not be in peace until these religious lunatics are destroyed.
Add Saudi Arabia, they were in on Iraq and they placed Iran in their crosshairs.
Including the ones in the whitehouse
Primarily the ones there. Hegseth thinks he is starting a crusade to bring about Armageddon.
I remember them saying and acting like Iraq was always a place of poor literacy, conflict, and poverty and a stone age culture.
Without ever acknowledging that this was basically the point (which many said in the lead up to the war in 2002) of the Iraq war.
I wish israel will be put in huge gas chamber.
Zionists, the word is zionists.
Oh god who let .ml and hexbear into these comments
they can smell russia/china criticism and they come like rabid dogs.
There’s a dumb dumb feddit and world user but I actually don’t see any tankie comments here lol
Nah legit, the anti-tankie brigade puts out their delusion before the tankies even show… every time
Muting those instances made Lemmy a lot more pleasant. Highly recommended
How to do that?
And thus, debate is dead, and your cozy bubble is formed. I get banning troll users, but banning a whole instance is a step towards killing what the federation is supposed to stand for.
Those extremists are not here to debate. They are here to push propaganda. Why would you want to engage with someone who isn’t arguing in good faith?
Those “extremists”, including me, only push back when a fascist comes out and brings up how evil China is in a thread about the US bombing Iran. The only people pushing propaganda are these fascists trying to excuse the criminal actions of the US and Israel.
E.g. https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11209483/8011201, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11209483/8012767, https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11209483/8009784
I get what you’re saying, but there is no objective defence for what is Russia doing in Europe. Anyone who sides with Russia or defends Russia either has personal interests in it, or the person is so easily brainwashed they’re more dangerous than LLMs
Nope, it’s the best decision I made. I don’t want to debate extremists that start insulting me as soon as a I don’t agree with all of their takes.
And btw at least with my client/instance, banning an instance doesn’t ban the users, so you can still interact with them on other instances.
Edit: And I don’t want to generalise, I’m sure there are .ml users that are fine. But I’ve had enough bad interactions with them that it warrants an instance ban.
the only other .ml that isnt politicals just engage in tech content like they are supposed to. somehow tankies co-opted .ml as a political haven, might have something to do with a tankie developer though.
That’s no debate with insincerity, only a platform for lies.
Can’t debate a bot.
There’s a difference between debating and toxic fascism
These people want no debates or opinions they dont agree with… They cant stand it.
They want that bubble because it makes sense to them. The world becomes simple.
Do you even know what you’re talking about?
Its a war of extermination.
Yes but some of them chanted Death to America – completely uncalled for – so what goes around comes around
Completely uncalled for
Someone doesn’t know a lick of history.
Those chants were pretty epic. Also they have some nice anti-USA murals like this one:
مرك بر آمريكا - “mrk br amrika”
anybody knows what it means?
Marg bar Âmrikâ - It’s a declaration of their love towards Amerikkka
Gotta admit that mural is pretty fire.
Also the USA
Why does everyone hate us? We are good people, nice people, nobody should hate us!
Everyone means your leaders, not you. I think.
Hate the government and the people who support it, not all Americans!
Americans have been supporting this kind of shit for decades, they’re all complicit at this point.
Yes, all people born into oppressive regimes that are often racistly holding them down are complicit. By that logic, the victims of apartheid states deserve it?
There haven’t been any coups. No one has taken power by force (not since they genocided the native civilizations, at least). A vast majority of Americans have voted time and time again, for decades, for this shit, and will keep doing so if there are any elections after Taarump.
Egoism, racism, imperialism, murder, child abuse, and runaway untethered capitalism are core American values. Basic principles upon which their culture is built. Don’t compare them to actual victims. They reap what they sow.
I’m trying to understand the logical conclusion of your viewpoint. Do you believe even the victims of racial oppression, often also in the form of voter suppression, are responsible for all the crimes past and present of the country they found themselves trapped in?
Are you also personally responsible for any reprehensible behavior the country you were born in has committed, past or present?
This is the way
We totally never hurt anyone or ever intended yo hurt any.
The United States of ISISrael
All they are doing is creating generations of future enemies.
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Why on earth would they not want death to the west? It’s not like we haven’t deserved it. Israel is way more extreme than either Hamas or Hezbollah. That’s what happens when you create an ethnostate, arm them to the teeth, and back them unconditionally for generations.
I take some slogans everyday instead of death and destruction.
but they will be poor and potentially malnutrition and potentially civil warring for the foreseeable future.
At least that seems to be the hope
Bold of you to assume the US and Israel will last generations in their current forms.
The Nazis didn’t create generations of future enemies for Germany.
which is why authoritarians in thier last grasp of power, is trying everything to distract thier own population, and others from an internal uprising.
No country lasts generations in a static form. That’s not a thing.
one thousand new hamas’es, so they can continue to have someone to point to while they do their genocides
They don’t need hamas to commit genocide. See e.g. the west bank. They will find an excuse anyway, at least hamas actually puts up a resistance.
Ideas are more powerful than weapons. They don’t want their enemies to have weapons, why would they allow them to have ideas?
Iran needs to stop holding back and demolish all universities in Israel. This is fucking ridiculous. They’re setting your country back decades if not more. If you’re still sticking to some abstract morality while the future of your people is stolen from them, you’re a fucking idiot.
“Holding back” isn’t really what they’re doing. It’s hard to justify attacking a school when doing so puts your already diminished resources at risk. Every time they launch a missile that launcher platform is highlighted for attack just like we’ve seen in Ukraine, but arguably even worse.
If you’re going to risk losing valuable assets then you have to justify it with valuable targets.
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You haven’t seen shit yet, you’re gonna be crying in your bunkers before this is over
I’m a bit confused, who lost?
It’s a hasbara bot. Probably thinks the war is over from being spoon fed Trump propaganda.
I think military bases and data centers make better targets.
What Israel doing is provocation because they want a war.
universities are also part of the military infrastructure.
Destroying Israeli universities wouldn’t actually advance Iran’s cause but could well lose them some of the small amount of international support they’re enjoying. I’m not saying they should be any more scrupulous than anyone else, or than they’re currently being, but they should, and presumably would prefer to, concentrate their efforts on targets that could actually impact their enemy’s ability to harm them.
The US has done this exact shit off its own steam before, no need to fall back on the Israelis as defense. They utterly destroyed the North of Korea during their genocidal anti-communist war, for example.
“This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago” - a totally normal leftist response to a war crime happening today
This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago
Are you referring to North Korea? The DPRK has a cult of personality thing going on, for sure. But that hadn’t developed yet, by the time of the Korean war. Rather the DPRK was a really quite vibrant multi-party Socialist democracy.
The overwhelming dominance of the WPK, and the ostensible sidelining of other parties and organizations in the Supreme People’s Assembly only starts to occur after the war. With the genocidal bombing of the Korean peninsula by the United States, and subsequent economic and diplomatic isolation, being the primary engine which drove political centralization.
Compare the results of 1948 SPA election results with those of 1957.
Cool. Not sure what it has to do with North Korea being their favourite monarchy today though?
The person you responded to was talking about the United States’ war in Korea:
They utterly destroyed the North of Korea during their genocidal anti-communist war, for example
You responded with:
“This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago” - a totally normal leftist response to a war crime happening today
The DPRK, in no way, resembled a monarchy prior to the Korean war, like you implied. The DPRK developing such a centralized cult of personality, and took up it’s particular foreign policy positions, as a direct result of US war and occupation.
The US and Israel indiscriminately bombing civilian targets in Iran with the explicit intention of inducing some sort of societal collapse is absolutely comparable to the Korean war.
The response of Iran to dig in its heels, appoint the previous Supreme Leader’s son as his successor, and take up such an aggressive posture, is also a direct result of US intervention, and has clear parallels to the DPRK example.
These countries, like Iran and North Korea, are the way that they are, not in a vacuum. Not because They’re ontologically evil. But because they’re responding to genuinely horrific conditions imposed upon them by the United States.
Whatever we might feel about them. Even if I don’t like that the DPRK has developed this cult of personality around the Kims, that fact is secondary to the material reality of what has caused this state of affairs in the first place.
You’re not getting dragged in this thread because “Le Stoopid Takies Luv Teh Commie Monarchy!1!” But because you’re missing the forest for the trees.
If you actually care about the People of the DPRK, and ending the Kim’s cult of personality, then you should want a formal end to the Korean War, the withdrawal of all US military assets from the peninsula, and for there to be UN mediated talks between North and South Korea about how they might be able to integrate, politically, socially, and economically.
Similarly, if you actually care about the people of Iran, and the wider middle east, you should want an end to this war, withdrawl of all US military bases from the region, the dissolution of Israel, in favor of a multi-ethnic Palestine with right of return and reparations for all Palestinians, and a laying down of arms for all Iranian-backed non-state actors who would no longer need to fight in the absence of Israel.
Complaining about Tankies online does none of this
God what a screed for 8 valuable words.
The person who responded did not choose North Korea out of the blue. They chose North Korea because they like North Korea today. America and/or Israel have committed more recent genocides and more egregious genocides. Even literally in the 1950s.
That’s the weird thing. And weird is all it was, not even incorrect. That that was the first thing to mind is ridiculous. All the rest of it is just tankurbation
genocide supporters get the woodchipper
What genocide would that be?
YouTube Communist isn’t an ethnicity
may your death be as long and agonizing as possible
Hey look, a yank wishing a socialist death. They really get it deep into your psyche don’t they?
“All the koreans we genocided were youtubers” is the dumbest and most anachronistic genocide denial I ever saw
Does acting this dumb take work or does it come naturally?
I don’t know, you’d need to tell me.
Or do you really believe koreans aren’t real humans? Most yankees are rabid dehumanizers after all.
My original question was “what ethnicity (am I in favour of genociding)” where the bracketed implication involves 40th percentile reading skills. Assuming you meet that criterion, you might get the second sentence meant that murdering every last YouTube Communist would not count as an answer, as it’s not an ethnicity.
Ach bhfeider an ceist seo ró deachar don paiste iPad Mhericáin
Fuck off lib. You’ll be saying this exact same thing in a few years about Iran and pretending that the United States of Pissreal was right in doing what it’s doing today.
Your obnoxious settler states won’t last long. Count the days
Ah yes, my settler state, Ireland.
Wait
I doubt that. See, if you actually lived in ireland and wanted to complain about a monarchy, why make up one on the other side of the world, when an actual monarchy is occupying part of your country?
Maybe you actually live in a certain fake country whose name starts with “I”? That is at war with a certain real country whose name also starts with “I”?
Nil fhaois agam can sórt scoil ufásach a bhí agat, ach bfhéidir sé ró maith a cur ceist faoin thógant an argaid ar ais?
Okay, I get it, you’re european. Living off of imperial usa plunder, spreading the usa’s lies for personal benefit. It’s always the same with the imperialists.
Ah yes. Ireland’s imperial plunder. What was that about my history again?
God you libs are insufferable
Aw, you’re all here. How nice for you
“This is just like what the US did to my favourite monarchy 75 years ago”
Yeah because famously only the DPRK’s ruling family was in North Korea; when you attack a country that everyone cries about and calls a dictatorship, famously only the ruling people are hurt by it (and it’s spelled ‘favorite’; what are you English?)
to a war crime happening today
If you have the mental capacity to understand that tons of innocent people get hurt by these demonic bombing campaigns, try and see if you can stretch it further to imagine what it would look like when you do it to countries in Asia as well (do some warming up exercises first, you don’t want to hurt yourself)
I’m Irish, but I don’t expect you to understand enough about countries that aren’t talked about on Google Videos as much as Jucheland
most historically literate mick
disgusting that an Irish person is so ignorant about the crimes of settler colonialism you spineless imperialist running dog
“Anyone who hasn’t based their political opinions on my extremely niche online bubble is ignorant”
Hey this tankietranslator saves so much time
Remind me what North Korea and Ireland have in common? It will be handy for my Irish history exams 30 years ago
In one, you pay rent to live, while the other one lives rent-free in your head
Get it? Rent-free
Because they got rid of the parasitic landlords
Have no fun paying rent to parasites, br*tish monarchy bootlicker
What a way to interpret a comment that said nothing like that. They just pointed out how the comprehensive bombing campaign resembles the level of destruction done to another sovereign nation.
It’s always amazing to me how libs have to constantly make up interpretations and arguments to fight against. One of the reasons I left piefed was that people kept yelling at me for saying things that I never said.
Like, I get that liberalism is openly failing right now, but maybe do some self-analysis on why that is, rather than building strawmen.
Yes everything to the left of supporting North Korea is liberalism
May you live to vote for as many actual socialists and communists as I have.
There are a disturbing amount of people who just can’t read and will just make up what they think you said to fill in the blanks of their skimming
And the first one that came to mind was fucking North Korea, because that’s a totally normal, not terminally online thought process for a socialist
So your first thought was “Lets mock this person for bringing up a relevent historical point”?
lol, what a tool
relevant
Ok buddy
