I SAID WHAT I SAID Look if you can’t trust someone using #antivax in their post then at least be a decent person and extend some grace with the understanding that we’re all basically just normal people doing the very best we can in this world – at our core we are all good people and a diversity of thoughts is our strength. But also my opinion is more valid than your opinion and no amount of facts can make my opinion wrong because it’s an opinion and that would be wrong. Gotcha suckers.
Where’s the /s
Are you blind?
#prodeath
It find not cause imaginary autism though.
Also it didn’t disappear?
These people are just willfully ignorant and deeply faithful.
The black plague is common in Madagascar for example, in villages which can’t be reqxhes without a helicopter and people there have no money for antibiotics. So doctors without borders are doing there best, but it’s still there (among other places). The vaccine for spreading misinformation is education, but sadly people prefer to get their knowledge from tiktok while letting AI do their school work, if they go to school at all.
Also it hasn’t disappeared. You can friggin catch it right now if you want
Gotta catch m all
It hasn’t disappeared. It’s still exists, it’s just that if you get it modern antibiotics can kill it.
You still have a 5-15% chance of dying with modern antibiotics.
It’s the improvement in sanitary practices that ultimately made it a much lesser issue.
And the fact that everyone else left alive had some form of immunity or resistance.
And the virus evolved to be less deadly and people evolved to have better immune responses to it.
The “Spanish Flu” still exists, and is all around us. Endemic to humanity. Meaning the H1N1-subtype of the influenza virus. Which killed 50-100 million people in 1918-1920. (Nowadays it’s called the seasonal flu)
I’d like to find an image of anti-antivaxxers, from around that time. They had some good burns against the silly antivaxxers and I just can’t remember what they were.
Those are two different things. The bubonic plague is a bacterial infection.
Oh yeah, I should’ve said “the disease” but I was already talking about flu epidemics in my head.
Good note, thanks, but for other people, as I understand the difference very well and would never suggest antibiotics as a treatment to virus-borne disease. And the evolution of bacteria is very different from viruses. Hell, we haven’t even decided if viruses are technically living or not. Anyway, good point
JD Vance cheering on the Bubonic Plague.
Funny thing is the bubonic plague still kills people in the US every year still today, just in small numbers.
Yeah but what has it done for you lately
At first I attributed this to dumbfuckery but lately I’m again seeing more of these opinions but now from people who see it as an opportunity
The word “quarantine” originates from a Venetian policy that every single ship had to wait outside of port for 40 days to ensure nobody had the plague. I’m sure the antivax people would have no problem with such measures?
What would they do if everyone on a given boat just straight up died from the plague?
Wait another 40 days and collect the free loot.
Them’s the breaks… Sea fairing was a dangerous occupation.
I guess eventually some enterprising individuals would attempt to salvage the boat and contents…
The Black Plague was truly a horror, but it DID break the back of Catholicism in Europe, so that’s nice. Every cloud has a silver lining
It broke feudalism, too, and kickstarted the renaissance.
How so? Didn’t Luther do that a couple hundred years later?
At the time of the plague, the Catholic church dominated every state politically; they were the undisputed masters of Europe.
After the plague, they never recovered the same amount of control again. This was the start of a long decline that continues to this day.
The plague revealed how truly ineffectual and predatory the church was, even to the most ignorant.
Recommend the books The Black Death and The Dancing Plague, I’m over simplifying of course there are many other details.
that continues to this day.
The US disagrees as do some theocratic states like Iran (nit-pick but i said catholic all you want, they all look the same to me).
THE GOOD NEWS The last time I looked, they’re all shrinking in membership.
Also, remember, they have always lied about their predominance, and they always will. Abrahamics have no relationship with the truth, don’t ever listen to them and their claims, believe nothing without solid evidence from another source.
So what youre saying is it was gods will for the church to decline and it was done via the plague which must have come from God if everything is part of God’s plan, which means God wanted fewer followers and eventually have none?
Which black death book? There are many and I’d like to learn.
I’m assuming dancing plague is John Waller?
My memory fails me, here’s what I have found on my bookshelf from the last few years
The Great Mortality: An Intimate History of the Black Death, the Most Devastating Plague of All Time by Kelly
The Dancing Plague: The Strange, True Story of an Extraordinary Illness by Waller
The Black Death 1346-1353: The Complete History by Benedictow
I mean it did disappear without a vaccine, so it’s not technically misinformation …
(it disappeared because of antibiotics, which is technically a different thing)
Technically, it didn’t disappear at all!
So sick of seeing confidently incorrect people opining, using historical examples, when they have never before cracked open a history book and have no idea of the context.
Henry Ford believed the Elders of Zion, and he was a cultural icon in business, which I assume meant he was top tier intelligent at the time.
So sick of seeing confidently incorrect people opining, using historical examples, when they have never before cracked open a history book and have no idea of the context.
This has always been the case.
The issue is Twitter boosts them over less engaging experts. The new problem is the medium. Twitter is not an fair forum, and these dumb takes trend deliberately.
Legitimately, what else would they use? Hardly anyone uses Mastodon - I don’t for sure, but from what I hear, the devs continually ignore the needs that people keep asking about. Which is why so many turned to Bluesky - it works.
To discuss the Threadiverse that I am much more familiar with, literally 100% of the people that I’ve told about “Lemmy” have outright chided me for having told them about it. (1) If you Google’d that term (not DuckDuckGo, I’m talking mainstream normies here) a year ago, it would take you to lemmy.ml; (2) that instance by default does not show All, but rather Local; (3) lemmy.ml - along with lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net - routinely calls for the murder of everyone participating in a capitalist, Western society (Edit: not just billionaires, or even millionaires, but anyone who participates). And showing Local rather than All does not dilute that flood as much as you see your view of the Threadiverse content from lemmy.world. (4) no major Lemmy instances defederate from lemmy.ml (quokk.au did iirc, before it switched all the way over to PieFed).
There are some MAJOR structural issues with the Fediverse that need to be solved first, before mainstream normies - who remember are primarily centrist (aka liberal to even right-wing by the standards here) - will feel comfortable here. Not celebrating and calling for their literal irl murder might be a start. (Note that while YOU might have such communities and user accounts blocked, a guest account, especially browsing lemmy.ml, cannot and would not know how to deal with such - e.g. a new account on most instances could respond to comments in [email protected] while browsing All and have no idea what they are walking into… then noping out and worst of all, telling everyone that will listen how extremist we are here)
We are a Nazi bar here, except instead of Nazis it’s tankies. Also, purity beatings will continue until morale improves. Mainstream people do not feel welcomed here. And most people seem unable to even say so much as they should be? Would you want more “right-wing” people here? (I actually mean centrists, but especially in the USA where so many are located, that is more where they would lean, right?)
