We’ve nearly cracked the code to duplicate intelligence at least in the form of neural nets. Now it’s a process of refining it. Also one of the last major hurdles is continuous learning. They’re fully in on transformers essentially and training ever bigger ones and then condensing it.
I think most people aren’t fully aware of what’s happened in just ten years. What most thought wouldn’t be achieved until maybe 2050 to 2100 has been done and is so normal now it doesn’t even feel like sci-fi. An artificial mind just solved an 80 year old mathematics conjecture a few days ago.
I’m not sure I can even get across to you what’s happening. Maybe the best analogy is its like an alien embryo has landed and it’s growing and it has the potential to be far more intelligent than any human and whichever country controls (if that’s possible) the alien baby they will perpetually win at economics, war, and so on. They will have the final say on what happens globally.
Chimpanzees do not control the jungle because humans exist and humans are more intelligent. No matter what plan the chimps make the more intelligent human mind will be able to out plan them in the end.
So yeah it’s taking more than a few days to create an artificial super intelligence, but it is happening and whoever gets there first wins in perpetuity assuming they can maintain control.
Me neither, it’s an unfortunate circumstance because there is an adversary and their population doesn’t have a say about it therefore they will likely catch up and overtake the US. As of now I would prefer the US to achieve AGI over China. Personally I wish there wasn’t this race at all, the way things are going I have doubts we will solve the control problem and I’m essentially praying this essentially alien entity we’re creating is far more compassionate than us.
Dude , snap out of it; The AGI promises are delusional; The buffed autocomplete is not self conscious and it will never be. And the cap to be “ahead of the AI race” will be power infrastructure and manufacturing for robotics in which China has already won. I am not American I don’t want the American nazis state to win shit; i think that cesspool of racist pedophile idiots they call a governemnt needs to be dismantled.
And the only thing i am looking forward to is the promise of cheap Chinese GPU’s, cheap memory and the idea that maybe through that i can continue to buy my own hardware; instead of the future the degenerate american billionaires want are where they are forcing everyone to rent compute for anything and be their little muzzled paypigs. (which is the real goal for this “AI” bubble.)
Fuck Nvidia fuck all american companies and fuck the corrupt techbros that are really running the show there,
To be clear I never said anything about it being conscious. It’s more than possible for something to be intelligent and not conscious, what is typically referred to as a philosophical zombie. I really seriously hope you are right but I’ve been working in the field directly since 2020 and have my degree in computational mathematics. That’s to say I’ve seen things maybe others have not and have been paying close attention to the growth of this for a while. There’s currently no reason to assume development will halt. Now many implementations are more so useless toys, and right now that’s most people’s experience or awareness of what’s going on.
Most technology was seen as silly or useless at the beginning. Cars were nothing but novel toys for the wealthy. People couldn’t imagine them ever being useful, not like a horse and carriage. Don’t see what already is, see how things are growing and what direction they are generally heading and you will see what will be.
If AI was really inevitable the large american conglomerates would not be pushing it so hard on the most common consumers. This shit is not making the money they were expecting. The behavior of the conglomerates is not that of finding a game changing tool; but of using their marketing push to establish their monopolies. I Don’t give a shit About your degree, you can use AI for whatever you want. If you have legitimate uses for it you don’t need to push it to everyone.
This technology is not a matter of national security for anyone. The americans will use AI as an excuse to kill innocents the same way they always found excuses for their nazi shit. And i don’t care about AI cold war coded races; I don’t want data centers or american monopolies attempting to take over the infrastructure of work and life where i live, just like i don’t want american politicians lobbying for who should the people in my country vote for.
Data centers need to be stopped from being constructed. AI businesses need to be scaled back. And if this is really a tool; then it should be treated as a humble tool instead of the grand narratives techbros keep pushing about it. You don’t need trillion dollar infrastructure to use machine learning in niche science applications.
There is quite the gamble going on currently. Strong AI will happen, the problem now is the timeframe. Investors of course want it to occur on the timeframe of months, of financial quarters. In that timeframe even I feel unsure. In the timeframe of five or ten years it’s more likely. You also have essentially the entire field of mathematicians and computer scientists convinced and financial investors who quickly over leveraged themselves and are now beginning to get cold feet just before the big payout.
Now I think you’re not seeing the bigger picture. Cash is flowing in like crazy and not every investor is wise in where they’re putting it, that is tons of nonsense projects are being funded right now. Also we have major players taking different approaches. For example OpenAI has been more heavily focused on monetizing consumers whereas anthropic has seen this waiver and is now shifting more towards B2B. So you have a lot of competitors, a lot of which are nonsense projects all looking right now to return something so investors boots stop shaking but none of this is new. It took Uber 14 years before it started showing any profits. Spotify took 18 years to become profitable. In the meantime dozens of competitors died and so did their VC.
To add fuel to the fire of all this, China has been releasing very competitive open source models they spent tens of millions of dollars to train, not out of the kindness of their heart but in an attempt to stifle US AI development. This also allows tons of people without the means otherwise to edit the model into some essentially useless use case and pitch it to investors aka one of the big reasons there are ten thousand AI pop up companies and this isn’t more so in the hands of one or two AI labs.
This story about strong AI is just old propaganda; how strong? Wasting tons of electricity and water for 0.000000001 better models? Find a better promise for this technology.
So all your arguments are: “ai will get stronger” and “scary chayna”
Are you parsing this through an LLM to repeat them over and over again? China has the right to defend themselves from American economic pressure; and i commend them for their great efforts in fighting against american restriction and economic terrorism. America loves to starve countries that they don’t like; Just look at what they are doing to Cuba. I also hope China takes the mantle of giving the world options for American corruption in means that are both economy and technology.
Eventually the US will become so threatened by open source models they will start outlawing them. The push has already started but i don’t care because I don’t need AI at all. Why would i want to be an intellectual cuckold? why deskill myself?
The point stands; However intellectual cucks wants to use AI, they should go for local and open source models instead of wasting so many infrastructure, power and resources on bigger models. This technology needs to be humbled, scaled down. And yeah I’m rooting for china to become first world power and maybe give the United states menace and It’s lap dog israel some much needed discipline…
I think your assessment is not correct. Development has been more so exponential than incremental. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that was never under question. Maybe a counterpoint with china is the Uyghur people and the suspicious surplus of human organs for decades now. I think everyone will outlaw open source models. A small clandestine team of amateurs being able to create a pandemic level virus in a home lab is a legitimate concern. Intellectual cuckold? You could say the same for computers in general as they offload cognition in performing algorithms that were once done by hand, computer was a job title. Arguably your use of the device you’re writing these comments with is taking from you the intellectual burden of the algorithms it is performing of which you could do by hand if you desired.
“Could you find an honest observer to declare that the invasion of photography and the great industrial madness of our times have no part at all in this deplorable result? Are we to suppose that a people whose eyes are growing used to considering the results of a material science as though they were the products of the beautiful, will not in the course of time have singularly diminished its faculties of judging and of feeling what are among the most ethereal and immaterial aspects of creation?” ~Charles Baudelaire
“For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.” ~Socrates
An artificial mind just solved the planar unit distance problem, an artificial mind has essentially cracked protein folding, we can now simulate 100 years of climate models 25 times faster than before, I mean the list goes on and on. It’s definitely not garbage. This is a paradigm shift in the same sense computers or the internet were but far far greater.
I understand that. The problem is what happens when another nation who doesn’t like you has the AI or their AI goes rogue. The problem with trying to outthink a thinking thing that can outthink you is you are in essence a thinking thing and you can’t outthink it. I understand data centers are problematic to say the least, what’s far more problematic is a rogue artificial super intelligence and no way to counter it.
I think you aren’t aware of what’s happening. I’ll give an analogy. You have GPS in your phone, that doesn’t make it an intercontinental ballistic missile. The AI I think you’re interfacing with is watered down and for the masses like technology is in most regards. What is already possible and what is being built is just a touch stronger than the chatGPT you get to use.
I don’t think you’re listening. Assuming all of that is true doesn’t make me want to stop fighting it with every breath. In fact its the opposite. The fact that this is just the pipedream of people who want to steal all your money just makes it sad.
It’s unfortunately not that and there is a wider context here. I personally wish it was all flimflam or that the development naturally hits a roadblock. The problem is there’s no evidence currently to suggest either of those statements are true of the current approach towards AI. I’m saying this as a computational mathematics academic. I would much prefer for us all that you were right. So far though I only have reason to have extreme worries about what is happening and what is being built. There really should be a global armistice on AI development, but there won’t be.
We’ve nearly cracked the code to duplicate intelligence at least in the form of neural nets. Now it’s a process of refining it. Also one of the last major hurdles is continuous learning. They’re fully in on transformers essentially and training ever bigger ones and then condensing it.
I think most people aren’t fully aware of what’s happened in just ten years. What most thought wouldn’t be achieved until maybe 2050 to 2100 has been done and is so normal now it doesn’t even feel like sci-fi. An artificial mind just solved an 80 year old mathematics conjecture a few days ago.
I’m not sure I can even get across to you what’s happening. Maybe the best analogy is its like an alien embryo has landed and it’s growing and it has the potential to be far more intelligent than any human and whichever country controls (if that’s possible) the alien baby they will perpetually win at economics, war, and so on. They will have the final say on what happens globally.
Chimpanzees do not control the jungle because humans exist and humans are more intelligent. No matter what plan the chimps make the more intelligent human mind will be able to out plan them in the end.
So yeah it’s taking more than a few days to create an artificial super intelligence, but it is happening and whoever gets there first wins in perpetuity assuming they can maintain control.
Regardless of how amazed techbros are with this shitty technology i wouldn’t want one of these data centers in the same state as my house.
Me neither, it’s an unfortunate circumstance because there is an adversary and their population doesn’t have a say about it therefore they will likely catch up and overtake the US. As of now I would prefer the US to achieve AGI over China. Personally I wish there wasn’t this race at all, the way things are going I have doubts we will solve the control problem and I’m essentially praying this essentially alien entity we’re creating is far more compassionate than us.
Dude , snap out of it; The AGI promises are delusional; The buffed autocomplete is not self conscious and it will never be. And the cap to be “ahead of the AI race” will be power infrastructure and manufacturing for robotics in which China has already won. I am not American I don’t want the American nazis state to win shit; i think that cesspool of racist pedophile idiots they call a governemnt needs to be dismantled.
And the only thing i am looking forward to is the promise of cheap Chinese GPU’s, cheap memory and the idea that maybe through that i can continue to buy my own hardware; instead of the future the degenerate american billionaires want are where they are forcing everyone to rent compute for anything and be their little muzzled paypigs. (which is the real goal for this “AI” bubble.)
Fuck Nvidia fuck all american companies and fuck the corrupt techbros that are really running the show there,
To be clear I never said anything about it being conscious. It’s more than possible for something to be intelligent and not conscious, what is typically referred to as a philosophical zombie. I really seriously hope you are right but I’ve been working in the field directly since 2020 and have my degree in computational mathematics. That’s to say I’ve seen things maybe others have not and have been paying close attention to the growth of this for a while. There’s currently no reason to assume development will halt. Now many implementations are more so useless toys, and right now that’s most people’s experience or awareness of what’s going on.
Most technology was seen as silly or useless at the beginning. Cars were nothing but novel toys for the wealthy. People couldn’t imagine them ever being useful, not like a horse and carriage. Don’t see what already is, see how things are growing and what direction they are generally heading and you will see what will be.
If AI was really inevitable the large american conglomerates would not be pushing it so hard on the most common consumers. This shit is not making the money they were expecting. The behavior of the conglomerates is not that of finding a game changing tool; but of using their marketing push to establish their monopolies. I Don’t give a shit About your degree, you can use AI for whatever you want. If you have legitimate uses for it you don’t need to push it to everyone.
This technology is not a matter of national security for anyone. The americans will use AI as an excuse to kill innocents the same way they always found excuses for their nazi shit. And i don’t care about AI cold war coded races; I don’t want data centers or american monopolies attempting to take over the infrastructure of work and life where i live, just like i don’t want american politicians lobbying for who should the people in my country vote for.
Data centers need to be stopped from being constructed. AI businesses need to be scaled back. And if this is really a tool; then it should be treated as a humble tool instead of the grand narratives techbros keep pushing about it. You don’t need trillion dollar infrastructure to use machine learning in niche science applications.
There is quite the gamble going on currently. Strong AI will happen, the problem now is the timeframe. Investors of course want it to occur on the timeframe of months, of financial quarters. In that timeframe even I feel unsure. In the timeframe of five or ten years it’s more likely. You also have essentially the entire field of mathematicians and computer scientists convinced and financial investors who quickly over leveraged themselves and are now beginning to get cold feet just before the big payout.
Now I think you’re not seeing the bigger picture. Cash is flowing in like crazy and not every investor is wise in where they’re putting it, that is tons of nonsense projects are being funded right now. Also we have major players taking different approaches. For example OpenAI has been more heavily focused on monetizing consumers whereas anthropic has seen this waiver and is now shifting more towards B2B. So you have a lot of competitors, a lot of which are nonsense projects all looking right now to return something so investors boots stop shaking but none of this is new. It took Uber 14 years before it started showing any profits. Spotify took 18 years to become profitable. In the meantime dozens of competitors died and so did their VC.
To add fuel to the fire of all this, China has been releasing very competitive open source models they spent tens of millions of dollars to train, not out of the kindness of their heart but in an attempt to stifle US AI development. This also allows tons of people without the means otherwise to edit the model into some essentially useless use case and pitch it to investors aka one of the big reasons there are ten thousand AI pop up companies and this isn’t more so in the hands of one or two AI labs.
This story about strong AI is just old propaganda; how strong? Wasting tons of electricity and water for 0.000000001 better models? Find a better promise for this technology.
So all your arguments are: “ai will get stronger” and “scary chayna” Are you parsing this through an LLM to repeat them over and over again? China has the right to defend themselves from American economic pressure; and i commend them for their great efforts in fighting against american restriction and economic terrorism. America loves to starve countries that they don’t like; Just look at what they are doing to Cuba. I also hope China takes the mantle of giving the world options for American corruption in means that are both economy and technology. Eventually the US will become so threatened by open source models they will start outlawing them. The push has already started but i don’t care because I don’t need AI at all. Why would i want to be an intellectual cuckold? why deskill myself?
The point stands; However intellectual cucks wants to use AI, they should go for local and open source models instead of wasting so many infrastructure, power and resources on bigger models. This technology needs to be humbled, scaled down. And yeah I’m rooting for china to become first world power and maybe give the United states menace and It’s lap dog israel some much needed discipline…
I think your assessment is not correct. Development has been more so exponential than incremental. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that was never under question. Maybe a counterpoint with china is the Uyghur people and the suspicious surplus of human organs for decades now. I think everyone will outlaw open source models. A small clandestine team of amateurs being able to create a pandemic level virus in a home lab is a legitimate concern. Intellectual cuckold? You could say the same for computers in general as they offload cognition in performing algorithms that were once done by hand, computer was a job title. Arguably your use of the device you’re writing these comments with is taking from you the intellectual burden of the algorithms it is performing of which you could do by hand if you desired.
Against photography:
“Could you find an honest observer to declare that the invasion of photography and the great industrial madness of our times have no part at all in this deplorable result? Are we to suppose that a people whose eyes are growing used to considering the results of a material science as though they were the products of the beautiful, will not in the course of time have singularly diminished its faculties of judging and of feeling what are among the most ethereal and immaterial aspects of creation?” ~Charles Baudelaire
Against writing:
“For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.” ~Socrates
Garbage in garbage out.
An artificial mind just solved the planar unit distance problem, an artificial mind has essentially cracked protein folding, we can now simulate 100 years of climate models 25 times faster than before, I mean the list goes on and on. It’s definitely not garbage. This is a paradigm shift in the same sense computers or the internet were but far far greater.
It could be as good and better than what you claim and I’d still have more than enough reason to stand against it.
I understand that. The problem is what happens when another nation who doesn’t like you has the AI or their AI goes rogue. The problem with trying to outthink a thinking thing that can outthink you is you are in essence a thinking thing and you can’t outthink it. I understand data centers are problematic to say the least, what’s far more problematic is a rogue artificial super intelligence and no way to counter it.
Get help.
I think you aren’t aware of what’s happening. I’ll give an analogy. You have GPS in your phone, that doesn’t make it an intercontinental ballistic missile. The AI I think you’re interfacing with is watered down and for the masses like technology is in most regards. What is already possible and what is being built is just a touch stronger than the chatGPT you get to use.
I don’t think you’re listening. Assuming all of that is true doesn’t make me want to stop fighting it with every breath. In fact its the opposite. The fact that this is just the pipedream of people who want to steal all your money just makes it sad.
It’s unfortunately not that and there is a wider context here. I personally wish it was all flimflam or that the development naturally hits a roadblock. The problem is there’s no evidence currently to suggest either of those statements are true of the current approach towards AI. I’m saying this as a computational mathematics academic. I would much prefer for us all that you were right. So far though I only have reason to have extreme worries about what is happening and what is being built. There really should be a global armistice on AI development, but there won’t be.