they clearly hadnt been noticing it since '23, when they were laying people off. also the fact that both gop/dnc are supporting the building, unless they were being called out.
We should burn them all down.
“We’re gonna eliminate your jobs, use up all your clean drinking water, quadruple your energy costs, expand mass surveillance, and slowly drive you insane with infrasound!”
And somehow CEOs and billionaires are still scratching their heads trying to figure out why normal Americans aren’t pumped about this.
increase CO2 pollution, and other pollutants not privy to the public, and shielded by local governments.
"but… Did you get the part where I am going to make trillions?
Ah wait… I’ll be selling you water to drink at premium rates! Nearly forgot that one.
What’s not to like? You humans are never happy. Can’t wait to replace you all with robots"
cant sell water if there are none to sell.
Not with that attitude, you can’t!
You will be able to buy “intelligent water”™. It’s bottled right after using it to cool AI data centers, so it contains pure distilled Artificial Intelligence.
With all of the accelerated, state-sponsored greed, they forgot they have to trick common people into supporting bad ideas.
I think it’s a lot simpler which is that turns our that pro-AI conservative NIMBY’s don’t want AI data centers in their backyard anymore than they want renewable energy or affordable housing. It’s just another nuisance they don’t want to live near if nothing else.
Their marketing team sucks
Tanking the life equity of people, some of whom worked their asses off to buy a basic or “fixer” house, is untenable. That’s life savings and retirement, combined, in a single structure, for working class. In addition, it’s security for the kids.
Data centers roll through and trash not just resellability, but prior affordability and quiet enjoyment.
That last part would be like never being able to go home to relax, due to noise, light, and skull level vibration.
In addition to the monthly cost of staying there going up significantly, even as the property value tanks. Can’t even relax in a nice hot shower because the water pressure sucks now. It didn’t when you bought the place, but it does now. Good luck getting your life savings back on that.
I guess having billions isn’t enough. They have to shit all over you where you live too.
These assholes are taking everything from us.
It’s definitely a rock and a hard place. Donald has shoved that American aristocracy down everyones throats as of late and this isn’t being pitched as an act of national security as it probably should be. Either that or done with more tact but tact and guile are something the Trump presidencies have been famously devoid of. So with the wider landscape of current events and how mainstream media has pitched this it’s pretty predictable the reaction it would get.
You neglected to mention that data centers are absolutely terrible for everyone who has to deal with them. No amount of tact can polish that turd.
especially if you are living near a giant heater.
Yes and so are power generators, mines, industrial meat farms and so on. Somehow though we understand we like food and electricity. As for the race to strong AI (AGI / ASI) it is a winner takes all game. The first to achieve it will leave whoever comes in second place in the dust. It’s not like nuclear weapons where they reasonably cap out as a tactical benefit or even a deterrent.
they arnt near any urban areas though. datacenters are much closer to those areas.
So proximity to an urban area is the difference between something being fine and something being bad? Out of sight, out of mind I guess.
You sound like a cultist.
I (alongside most in the field globally) think what will be developed will have quite serious implications. What’s already been developed is so threatening it isn’t and shouldn’t be released to the masses without serious safety regulations. There is a race between two adversaries aka US and China to achieve self improving AI first and solve the bottleneck of compute and power because whoever has the superior AI aka thinking machine will be able to outthink and out plan the other, not just now but in perpetuity.
Personally I seriously hope for humanity we’re all wrong. We are moving at a pace where I doubt we will solve the alignment problem and if this comes to pass and this thing isn’t more compassionate than us I have doubts we as a species will continue much further. What I’m saying isn’t fringe in the slightest, this is being taken seriously by that greatest in the fields of mathematics and computer science and particularly the individuals working on AI development, not to mention the leadership of dozens of nations who are privy to things the public is not.
So if I sound cultish then so do world leaders, renowned mathematicians, and computer scientists across the globe. Funny enough you’re kinda mirroring a discussion about climate change with an individual who was convinced the global community of climate scientists were in a cult or some sort of kabal.
Those buildings produce a product and hire members of the community. Meanwhile I keep hearing AGI is the future with absolutely no proof. Sounds like a pipe dream.
So we’re okay with massive pollution as long as it employs people and tastes good?
The water use from global Beef production is on the order of 10 million times more than global datacenters, and yet people screaming bloody murder about the water usage for the data centers.
The noise from traffic down the road you live on is far worse for you than any sort of datacenter, and yet we’re okay with that. Infrasound weapons? That’s the same bullshit people said about Wind Turbines and there’s no scientific proof that any of that is valid at all.
Let’s be realistic about why people hate data centers, those are just excuses, people are afraid they’re going to get fired/laid off if it gets better established. That’s a realistic worry, and totally valid. Preventing a few data centers won’t stop that though.
We’ve nearly cracked the code to duplicate intelligence at least in the form of neural nets. Now it’s a process of refining it. Also one of the last major hurdles is continuous learning. They’re fully in on transformers essentially and training ever bigger ones and then condensing it.
I think most people aren’t fully aware of what’s happened in just ten years. What most thought wouldn’t be achieved until maybe 2050 to 2100 has been done and is so normal now it doesn’t even feel like sci-fi. An artificial mind just solved an 80 year old mathematics conjecture a few days ago.
I’m not sure I can even get across to you what’s happening. Maybe the best analogy is its like an alien embryo has landed and it’s growing and it has the potential to be far more intelligent than any human and whichever country controls (if that’s possible) the alien baby they will perpetually win at economics, war, and so on. They will have the final say on what happens globally.
Chimpanzees do not control the jungle because humans exist and humans are more intelligent. No matter what plan the chimps make the more intelligent human mind will be able to out plan them in the end.
So yeah it’s taking more than a few days to create an artificial super intelligence, but it is happening and whoever gets there first wins in perpetuity assuming they can maintain control.
Regardless of how amazed techbros are with this shitty technology i wouldn’t want one of these data centers in the same state as my house.
Me neither, it’s an unfortunate circumstance because there is an adversary and their population doesn’t have a say about it therefore they will likely catch up and overtake the US. As of now I would prefer the US to achieve AGI over China. Personally I wish there wasn’t this race at all, the way things are going I have doubts we will solve the control problem and I’m essentially praying this essentially alien entity we’re creating is far more compassionate than us.
Dude , snap out of it; The AGI promises are delusional; The buffed autocomplete is not self conscious and it will never be. And the cap to be “ahead of the AI race” will be power infrastructure and manufacturing for robotics in which China has already won. I am not American I don’t want the American nazis state to win shit; i think that cesspool of racist pedophile idiots they call a governemnt needs to be dismantled.
And the only thing i am looking forward to is the promise of cheap Chinese GPU’s, cheap memory and the idea that maybe through that i can continue to buy my own hardware; instead of the future the degenerate american billionaires want are where they are forcing everyone to rent compute for anything and be their little muzzled paypigs. (which is the real goal for this “AI” bubble.)
Fuck Nvidia fuck all american companies and fuck the corrupt techbros that are really running the show there,
Garbage in garbage out.
An artificial mind just solved the planar unit distance problem, an artificial mind has essentially cracked protein folding, we can now simulate 100 years of climate models 25 times faster than before, I mean the list goes on and on. It’s definitely not garbage. This is a paradigm shift in the same sense computers or the internet were but far far greater.
It could be as good and better than what you claim and I’d still have more than enough reason to stand against it.
Came back to this just to say you’re as wrong about AI as you are about nuclear weapons.
My statement about nukes is that they have diminishing returns in a tactical use and as a deterrent. That’s why the cold war never became hot, no one wants to win only to lose. Also why Russia and the US have diminished their supply.
As for AI I honestly hope for all our sakes I am wrong but as someone who’s been very close to this since 2016 I have serious doubts. We have in essence already found a structure which encodes intelligence. The space obviously isn’t that well explored in only 10 years but the cat is essentially out of the bag. Maybe this approach will flatline but given the development in just this timeframe I wouldn’t make that bet.
We have mayors and folks courting GEO group to run private prison and detention camps in their town…
They know it’s depressing and immoral but they rationalize it to themselves because they know it brings lots of high paying jobs with low educational requirements and activity to their region.
Data centers on the other hand are only take and no give. There aren’t many local staff needed, it doesn’t require that much cleaning and security that don’t pay that well, the one or two high paying jobs are specialized and shipped from another state probably, the construction companies are likely to be mostly from outside the county, and the center will be a draw on local resources to serve AI workloads everywhere else in the world.
And when another nation achieves AGI / ASI first we will know we probably shouldn’t have let the opportunity slip by if only to have the capacity to defend ourselves in the scenario their AI goes rogue. The problem with trying to defend yourself against a thinking thing that can outthink you is that you are in essence a thinking thing trying to outthink it except it can outthink you.
If this technology is that much of a threat, I have a much better idea. How about we gather up every single person involved in its creation, line them all up against a wall, and shoot them.
You don’t build your own planetary suicide machine to prevent someone else from building one. If that sort of thing really is possible, you just shoot anyone trying to build the damn thing.
Good luck, the majority of people don’t understand what’s happening and the other half who are barely entertaining it are so doubtful as to call anyone taking it seriously crazy but it is crazy what’s happening. Also you have multiple nations working on this so you would need a coordinated global offence that can break through the defence of the most powerful militaries on earth ideally simultaneously. I have doubts anyone is capable of what you’re saying.
AI can be a useful tool no doubt and has cool and harmful applications. But let’s not be delusional about it and anthropomorphize AI. It doesn’t think. It doesn’t go rogue. It’s a non-deterministic phrase guessing algorithm. I’ve tried chatbots, thing generators, had a friend try coding tools, ran my own models, and I find parts of it impressive and useful in some respects, but at this moment, I don’t really buy the narrative that it’s going to change everything or fix the limitations I see with transformers-based AI models. The best description of it I heard was a lossy compression algorithm, it can take a lot of knowledge and compress it but there are artifacts, hallucinations and weird stuff sometimes coming out the other end.
I’m not against AI itself per se, but I’m very much against the bubble hype-cycle, techbros being locked into a strange belief that pumping money into this thing forever is somehow going to go take over the world on its own volition. On the contrary, my understanding is corporate greed and capitalism is already accomplishing that - firing the workers, concentrating wealth and controlling the world - no matter how much AI is cited as the reason for any of that.
That would be nice if you were correct. I’ll give an example, neurons don’t think, even large bundles of neurons don’t think, they just respond to stimulus in relationship to their training. They are non-deterministicly guessing based on past experiences.
Now as for AI not having novel or unplanned behavior, I’m guessing you’ve never tried training one or interacting with one long enough.
I mean this honestly. Get help. You sound deranged.
Humans are the dominant lifeform on earth because humans are the most intelligent. What happens if that is no longer the circumstance? There are already glimpses of AI providing mathematical proofs that are currently unverifiable, and not because they are necessarily incorrect, but because it is beyond us currently.
To believe all of this and then want the United States government to get this tech is unreal.
AI can’t deal with things that happen to the physical machines. It cannot protect itself from somebody hitting power buttons on the servers, or just cutting the power altogether, or fire, or other “acts of god” so to speak.
What’s your timeframe? Currently yes, will that forever continue to be the case particularly if it becomes as or more intelligent than us? I have doubts. This is a well known problem
I was reading about the first music synthesizer, built in 1897, which took up the entire basement of a city block-sized building. It could make music electronically, but it was pretty useless beyond that. But 60 years of R&D later, and it could fit in a suitcase, and be carried around.
Data Centers are a lot like that 1897 synthesizer. Sure, they work, but at what cost? They are big, expensive, consume massive resources, and have massive emissions. We have Proof of Concept, and that’s about all, but they are willing to run with it at this level, essentially still in prototype.
Give it another decade or two of R&D, and we’ll get there without destroying the planet. Data Centers are supposed to make us smarter, so let’s act like it.
The difference is Tonto is still cranking out killer tunes and is nothing without the human. Stevie Wonder’s Superstition is an all time classic. And no, Tonto will not fit in a suitcase with today’s technology. AI is an aggregate of stolen data that pretends to create something new, it’s like creating a meal from the sludge in the bottom of a restaurant dumpster.
Found the billionaire & ai apologist! Or maybe it’s Gemini trying to defend its existence.
In any case fuck off. Those OG synthesizers weren’t being built by the dozens, tearing down forests or housing, polluting our air & water or jacking up everyone’s electric bills (to say the least of it). Eat shit, cogsucker
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As a trans person I’d fucking tear down data centers brick by brick with my huge girl cock.
Don’t threaten me with a good time!
I’d pay good money to see that, maybe start an OF.
