Those buildings produce a product and hire members of the community. Meanwhile I keep hearing AGI is the future with absolutely no proof. Sounds like a pipe dream.
So we’re okay with massive pollution as long as it employs people and tastes good?
The water use from global Beef production is on the order of 10 million times more than global datacenters, and yet people screaming bloody murder about the water usage for the data centers.
The noise from traffic down the road you live on is far worse for you than any sort of datacenter, and yet we’re okay with that. Infrasound weapons? That’s the same bullshit people said about Wind Turbines and there’s no scientific proof that any of that is valid at all.
Let’s be realistic about why people hate data centers, those are just excuses, people are afraid they’re going to get fired/laid off if it gets better established. That’s a realistic worry, and totally valid. Preventing a few data centers won’t stop that though.
Dude , snap out of it; The AGI promises are delusional; The buffed autocomplete is not self conscious and it will never be. And the cap to be “ahead of the AI race” will be power infrastructure and manufacturing for robotics in which China has already won. I am not American I don’t want the American nazis state to win shit; i think that cesspool of racist pedophile idiots they call a governemnt needs to be dismantled.
And the only thing i am looking forward to is the promise of cheap Chinese GPU’s, cheap memory and the idea that maybe through that i can continue to buy my own hardware; instead of the future the degenerate american billionaires want are where they are forcing everyone to rent compute for anything and be their little muzzled paypigs. (which is the real goal for this “AI” bubble.)
Fuck Nvidia fuck all american companies and fuck the corrupt techbros that are really running the show there,
If AI was really inevitable the large american conglomerates would not be pushing it so hard on the most common consumers. This shit is not making the money they were expecting. The behavior of the conglomerates is not that of finding a game changing tool; but of using their marketing push to establish their monopolies. I Don’t give a shit About your degree, you can use AI for whatever you want. If you have legitimate uses for it you don’t need to push it to everyone.
This technology is not a matter of national security for anyone. The americans will use AI as an excuse to kill innocents the same way they always found excuses for their nazi shit. And i don’t care about AI cold war coded races; I don’t want data centers or american monopolies attempting to take over the infrastructure of work and life where i live, just like i don’t want american politicians lobbying for who should the people in my country vote for.
Data centers need to be stopped from being constructed. AI businesses need to be scaled back. And if this is really a tool; then it should be treated as a humble tool instead of the grand narratives techbros keep pushing about it. You don’t need trillion dollar infrastructure to use machine learning in niche science applications.
“Could you find an honest observer to declare that the invasion of photography and the great industrial madness of our times have no part at all in this deplorable result? Are we to suppose that a people whose eyes are growing used to considering the results of a material science as though they were the products of the beautiful, will not in the course of time have singularly diminished its faculties of judging and of feeling what are among the most ethereal and immaterial aspects of creation?” ~Charles Baudelaire
“For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.” ~Socrates
They know it’s depressing and immoral but they rationalize it to themselves because they know it brings lots of high paying jobs with low educational requirements and activity to their region.
Data centers on the other hand are only take and no give. There aren’t many local staff needed, it doesn’t require that much cleaning and security that don’t pay that well, the one or two high paying jobs are specialized and shipped from another state probably, the construction companies are likely to be mostly from outside the county, and the center will be a draw on local resources to serve AI workloads everywhere else in the world.
If this technology is that much of a threat, I have a much better idea. How about we gather up every single person involved in its creation, line them all up against a wall, and shoot them.
You don’t build your own planetary suicide machine to prevent someone else from building one. If that sort of thing really is possible, you just shoot anyone trying to build the damn thing.
AI can be a useful tool no doubt and has cool and harmful applications. But let’s not be delusional about it and anthropomorphize AI. It doesn’t think. It doesn’t go rogue. It’s a non-deterministic phrase guessing algorithm. I’ve tried chatbots, thing generators, had a friend try coding tools, ran my own models, and I find parts of it impressive and useful in some respects, but at this moment, I don’t really buy the narrative that it’s going to change everything or fix the limitations I see with transformers-based AI models. The best description of it I heard was a lossy compression algorithm, it can take a lot of knowledge and compress it but there are artifacts, hallucinations and weird stuff sometimes coming out the other end.
I’m not against AI itself per se, but I’m very much against the bubble hype-cycle, techbros being locked into a strange belief that pumping money into this thing forever is somehow going to go take over the world on its own volition. On the contrary, my understanding is corporate greed and capitalism is already accomplishing that - firing the workers, concentrating wealth and controlling the world - no matter how much AI is cited as the reason for any of that.
AI can’t deal with things that happen to the physical machines. It cannot protect itself from somebody hitting power buttons on the servers, or just cutting the power altogether, or fire, or other “acts of god” so to speak.
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they arnt near any urban areas though. datacenters are much closer to those areas.
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You sound like a cultist.
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Those buildings produce a product and hire members of the community. Meanwhile I keep hearing AGI is the future with absolutely no proof. Sounds like a pipe dream.
So we’re okay with massive pollution as long as it employs people and tastes good?
The water use from global Beef production is on the order of 10 million times more than global datacenters, and yet people screaming bloody murder about the water usage for the data centers.
The noise from traffic down the road you live on is far worse for you than any sort of datacenter, and yet we’re okay with that. Infrasound weapons? That’s the same bullshit people said about Wind Turbines and there’s no scientific proof that any of that is valid at all.
Let’s be realistic about why people hate data centers, those are just excuses, people are afraid they’re going to get fired/laid off if it gets better established. That’s a realistic worry, and totally valid. Preventing a few data centers won’t stop that though.
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Regardless of how amazed techbros are with this shitty technology i wouldn’t want one of these data centers in the same state as my house.
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Dude , snap out of it; The AGI promises are delusional; The buffed autocomplete is not self conscious and it will never be. And the cap to be “ahead of the AI race” will be power infrastructure and manufacturing for robotics in which China has already won. I am not American I don’t want the American nazis state to win shit; i think that cesspool of racist pedophile idiots they call a governemnt needs to be dismantled.
And the only thing i am looking forward to is the promise of cheap Chinese GPU’s, cheap memory and the idea that maybe through that i can continue to buy my own hardware; instead of the future the degenerate american billionaires want are where they are forcing everyone to rent compute for anything and be their little muzzled paypigs. (which is the real goal for this “AI” bubble.)
Fuck Nvidia fuck all american companies and fuck the corrupt techbros that are really running the show there,
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If AI was really inevitable the large american conglomerates would not be pushing it so hard on the most common consumers. This shit is not making the money they were expecting. The behavior of the conglomerates is not that of finding a game changing tool; but of using their marketing push to establish their monopolies. I Don’t give a shit About your degree, you can use AI for whatever you want. If you have legitimate uses for it you don’t need to push it to everyone.
This technology is not a matter of national security for anyone. The americans will use AI as an excuse to kill innocents the same way they always found excuses for their nazi shit. And i don’t care about AI cold war coded races; I don’t want data centers or american monopolies attempting to take over the infrastructure of work and life where i live, just like i don’t want american politicians lobbying for who should the people in my country vote for.
Data centers need to be stopped from being constructed. AI businesses need to be scaled back. And if this is really a tool; then it should be treated as a humble tool instead of the grand narratives techbros keep pushing about it. You don’t need trillion dollar infrastructure to use machine learning in niche science applications.
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Against photography:
“Could you find an honest observer to declare that the invasion of photography and the great industrial madness of our times have no part at all in this deplorable result? Are we to suppose that a people whose eyes are growing used to considering the results of a material science as though they were the products of the beautiful, will not in the course of time have singularly diminished its faculties of judging and of feeling what are among the most ethereal and immaterial aspects of creation?” ~Charles Baudelaire
Against writing:
“For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.” ~Socrates
Garbage in garbage out.
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It could be as good and better than what you claim and I’d still have more than enough reason to stand against it.
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Get help.
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Came back to this just to say you’re as wrong about AI as you are about nuclear weapons.
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We have mayors and folks courting GEO group to run private prison and detention camps in their town…
They know it’s depressing and immoral but they rationalize it to themselves because they know it brings lots of high paying jobs with low educational requirements and activity to their region.
Data centers on the other hand are only take and no give. There aren’t many local staff needed, it doesn’t require that much cleaning and security that don’t pay that well, the one or two high paying jobs are specialized and shipped from another state probably, the construction companies are likely to be mostly from outside the county, and the center will be a draw on local resources to serve AI workloads everywhere else in the world.
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If this technology is that much of a threat, I have a much better idea. How about we gather up every single person involved in its creation, line them all up against a wall, and shoot them.
You don’t build your own planetary suicide machine to prevent someone else from building one. If that sort of thing really is possible, you just shoot anyone trying to build the damn thing.
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AI can be a useful tool no doubt and has cool and harmful applications. But let’s not be delusional about it and anthropomorphize AI. It doesn’t think. It doesn’t go rogue. It’s a non-deterministic phrase guessing algorithm. I’ve tried chatbots, thing generators, had a friend try coding tools, ran my own models, and I find parts of it impressive and useful in some respects, but at this moment, I don’t really buy the narrative that it’s going to change everything or fix the limitations I see with transformers-based AI models. The best description of it I heard was a lossy compression algorithm, it can take a lot of knowledge and compress it but there are artifacts, hallucinations and weird stuff sometimes coming out the other end.
I’m not against AI itself per se, but I’m very much against the bubble hype-cycle, techbros being locked into a strange belief that pumping money into this thing forever is somehow going to go take over the world on its own volition. On the contrary, my understanding is corporate greed and capitalism is already accomplishing that - firing the workers, concentrating wealth and controlling the world - no matter how much AI is cited as the reason for any of that.
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I mean this honestly. Get help. You sound deranged.
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To believe all of this and then want the United States government to get this tech is unreal.
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The president has labeled me a terrorist 3 times over in the last month.
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AI can’t deal with things that happen to the physical machines. It cannot protect itself from somebody hitting power buttons on the servers, or just cutting the power altogether, or fire, or other “acts of god” so to speak.
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