If the god sends me to hell for not believing in him after his followers were so cruel, then he is a tyrant and I want nothing to do with him. If he recognizes my goodness and doesn’t care whether I had faith in him or not… then it sure sounds like I don’t lose.
This is along the lines I think.
If the “God” that exists is the one that has allowed some of the absolute abhorrent acts of the world and condones the hate that some of his followers display then I don’t want to go to his idea of eternal heaven or whatever 🤷♀️
That’s what people don’t get. Threatening that you don’t get to go to the heaven of some guy you don’t agree with anyway is just not that threatening 😅🤷♀️ it’s like trying to threaten a vegan that they’re never going to be allowed to go to a steakhouse.
"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius
Wow that’s way older than I realized!
I know right? Can’t believe it’s been 26 years since the Gladiator movie came out!!
26 years since the Gladiator movie came out
If basically any major religion’s god is real, we all lose. They’re all fucking giant assholes.
I’m not worshiping an asshole… unless its attached to someone hot.
unless the religions are gatekeeping the real knowledge behind their dogma and twisting it, so they can gain more secular power.
What’s wrong with Ganesh? He’s a pretty cool guy
Interestingly, the Christian God doesn’t care about your life, only about your soul. And whilst they say belief is the only way to him there’s an interesting thing most of these guys intentionally overlook.
If God is infact made of love, as so many claim, only those who are full of love truly believe. Now I ain’t saying atheists have more love in them than Christians, but I can say with A LOT of certainty that Christians aint got a lot of love atall
The phrase “there is no hate like Christian love” isn’t going away till the Christians do.
Pascal’s Wager. Just as ludicrous as it was last time someone posted it.
Gotta love Pascal’s mugger
The way I figure it, if God exists he gave me a reasoning mind and provided absolutely no reasonable evidence of his existence. If he has a problem with me drawing the inevitable conclusion from that then fuck 'im.
If you look at it from God’s perspective, assuming he exists, you have all of these groups of people who claim to worship him, and the biggest ones all have different holy books, and all of those holy books are flawed. They’re even self-contradictory. I think God would be offended if people thought he was responsible for those piles of trash.
On the other hand, if God created our cosmos, surely he’d at least approve of people trying to understand it compared to boring people who ignore the world and just chant the same things over and over.
If god is real im going to try and kill him for creating a world with such evil happening to innocent people.
Any god who creates a place where babies are raped and murdered deserves to die.
This is why I refer to myself as agnostic instead of atheist. I do not see an evidence of God as stated in the Bible, Torah, Koran or such religions. However I cannot prove that a different type of God does not exist. Something - called God - could be responsible for the beginning of everything. I don’t see that God as being too concerned about humans and what they do or don’t do. God and religion are not the same thing. Religions are entirely man made as a societal control mechanisms and abused by leadership greed.
Then it’s a question of semantics, and how you define “God”. Would you consider big bang as “God”?
Plus if this is the world he made he’s demiurge anyways and fuck that guy.
If god turns out to be real then heaven is likely hell.
Based on what god has shown us so far he is a dictator who enjoys watching his little creatures suffer in too many ways to count. He is most likely an emotionless psychopath. He used his Jesus avatar once publicly to show that he’s “one of us”, showed off his admin rights by turning water to wine and resurrecting himself, and then logged off again with no consequences.
It’s the equivalent of a billionaire going with public transport for a day to show how grounded and normal he is.
If god exists and can truly control what comes after death then we are all fucked and need to find out how to kill him.
Maybe after death we resurrect into a full blown souls against god rebellion that has been going on for a few hundred years
The God of the Bible is a monster.
and crumbly and tastes awful
Ooh that’s a cool book idea.
If god were to be real I’d like to think that finite and cringe concepts like “do you love me because I killed myself for you? (Tick the according box)” would be so laughably far removed from the conversation that’s it’s not even up for consideration.
The supposed almighty creator, who resides over everything in existence itself,…. Spends it’s time worrying wether or not you touched yourself and why you didn’t believe in the santa guy from a book mostly used by evil conmen. Don’t make me laugh.
It never seems to occur to them that if there was an entity so powerful that it could literally create an entire Universe out of nothing, and then monitor the progress of ever single element of that Universe, then that entity would be far too complex for our puny human minds to even comprehend.
And yet there are those among us who would dare to claim to know exactly what that all-powerful entity is thinking, and what it wants from us, and oh, yeah, it always costs a lot of money, gimme.
This always confused me too. It would be like an ant trying to understand the motivations of a human.
I have used that exact analogy, asking why the omniscient entity would care about the needs of any single individual ant out of a colony of billions?
A long time ago, I had a friend bitching that people weren’t getting all dressed up at her church. I’ve always said that if God was real, they wouldn’t give a rats ass what people wore to church.
I feel like the whole concept of souls is just racism. Because for souls to have a concept of existence and value, some sort of identity between life and death must be, implying, basically, eugenics.
“This soul is better than this other soul” etc. An inherent superiority and inferiority, separate from our minds, insulated, even from logic.
Your idea about the concept of souls being rooted in racism is interesting. Although you lost me when you jumped from life and death as an identity to eugenics.
Eugenics is the final boss of racism. It all leads to that, every time.
All monotheistic religions are in a logic of us vs them.
You say monotheistic and it has me think. Ill never be religious… well, until we respect earth and its science, but uh, Im in favor of bringing back the old gods. Polytheistic is it?
Shower thought earlier: Humanity truly feels lost.
I’m not religious myself neither, but I could have a thing for animism maybe.
If god is real, he has a lot to answer for.
god seems pretty wrathful and amoral towards mortals, even uses ANGELS to do his dirty work.
Also:
“If there is a God, he will have to beg my forgiveness.”
- Unknown victim of the Holocaust, carved into the wall of a Mauthausen cell[
The platypus. Seriously, wtf?
Australia was his animal testing ground. It was never meant to make it into production.
both AUSTRALIA and south america, both continents were isolated for a long time so they both developed unique species. Marsupial has its likely origins in South america actually, since its the other major continent with marsupials, they also have things like sprassadonts(marsupial like), and liptoterns
Australia is Earth’s forgotten Test Branch server that is just still running … one day, the other servers got too full, so they had to hastily bring it back into service.
Everyone has a testing
environmentcontinent. Some people are fortunate enough to also have a separate productionenvironmentcontinent.
If god is real, he very likely doesn’t give a shit about humans. If you interviewed him, he’d say that all of that stuff you attribute to him was obviously made up by humans.
If God is real then he’s basically a kid with an ant farm and magnifying glass.
Best case scenario is that this is his version of The Sims.
DaddyYahwey was a rollin stone 🎶
I think the matter is simple.
If there is a God, he should let me in for being a good person. If he is as vain as Christians make him out to be, I wouldn’t worship him anyway.
Dear Christian,
What if, after you die, you find out you’re dead, and you’ve wasted your precious time all along?
You lose.
p.s. your God is obsessed with foreskins, you lose either way.
Dear Christian, … p.s. your God is obsessed with foreskins, you lose either way.
FWIW… The obsession with foreskins is more of a USAian thing from some corn flake capitalist. I think christians outside USA are generally uncut. It’s a national thing, not a religious thing.
Christianity legalized the foreskin almost immediately. It’s still legal today. TBH I don’t think christianity would have grown so popular otherwise.
… Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.” The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are… It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God…" - Acts 15
The obsession with foreskins is more of a USAian thing from some corn flake capitalist.
No, it’s really from the Old Testament, with over a dozen mentions (I think the total is 14). Search “foreskin” KJV in your favorite Bible search engine.
Jesus also said “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:14). Foreskins are a repeated part of those jots and tittle laws.
All of that foreskin business could have instead been admonitions against slavery, child marriage, or further dietary rules for that matter.
It’s there, for all eternity, genital mutilation and other stupidity, preserved for our enjoyment and/or embarrassment.
What if, after you die, you find out you’re dead, and you’ve wasted your precious time all along?
I mean, what does it mean to “waste time” in this context? There’s a certain existential dread that comes with the mystery of death - really the mystery of consciousness generally speaking - and we all cope with it as best we can. I don’t think a ritualized means of managing one’s anxiety is time wasted. If your genuflections to a carving of a guy on a crucifix sooth your own anxieties of loss-of-self, more power to you.
But it does feel a bit like someone asking “What if you stepped on a crack and then it really did break your mother’s back?” I mean, that would be very scary and sad. I can’t see the correlation between these two things. I’m not going to painstakingly tip-toe down the sidewalk out of a concern I don’t take seriously.
I mean, what does it mean to “waste time” in this context?
Sitting in church, reading the Bible and Bible studies, praying to God, time spent working that is then tithed, etc. All totally worthless and time wasted.
worthless unless you genuinely enjoy it* though i cant imagine how anyone would truely want that.
Is the man sitting in church and reading from the Bible wasting his time any more or less than the man sitting in a field and contemplating the stars? In the end, they both amount to the same thing.
Yeah, well…
MY religion says if you don’t give me $20,000 you’ll spend forever swimming through a pool of glass shards and lemon juice. Better be on the safe side - what if I’m right?
I’d like to subscribe to your Creative Eternal Tortures newsletter.
It too, is a creative torture.
Here’s $30,000 just in case. Thanks for the warning!
… Should’ve asked for more to start.
A fellow mormon?
I doubt that, as my variant of that religion says 20000 pounds.
my variant says 20,000 tacos
Well, my religion says if you give Mycodesuck money you’ll spend eternity listen to political speeches. Enjoy the dilema.
If there is a god, what’s the chance that you have the “correct” one of all the religions ever invented? If you go to hell for following the “wrong” religion your chance of going to hell is much higher than of hitting the jackpot.
Yep Ancient Egypt had it right with their religion. You die and Osiris says hi.
Filthy infidel! The only true god is the Eagle God, that nobody has thought about in 37.000 years!
HOW DARE YOU!! I will fight a holy war over this!
Have fun in Eagle Hell!
Heretic! The one true god is the Anteater God, that nobody has invented yet!
Pascal wager can be so easily thrown back…
« You better pray for forgiveness to the Christian god before dying… just to be sure! »
Ok… but what if the Hindus were right all along and I just damned myself?! There’s a whole lot more Hindus… I’m getting better odds by renouncing the Christian god instead
There’s a whole lot more Hindus…
Except there are a multitude of different Christian denominations, all disagreeing with each other.
As opposed to monolithic Hindus?
