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So is San Francisco about to hire 100k tech workers back?
100k East Asian tech workers, sure.
AI = Actually Indonesian
I’m just going to note how giga-fucked it is that AI is openly being criticized because it hasn’t led to more layoffs.
Just want to point out the “more layoffs” are the Uber-subsidized part of the relationship.
This is the honeymoon and the marriage ain’t off to a great start
The companies need to at least seem to grow forever. See Facebook to meta VR stuff to AI. The business models could not grow forever that’s the reason for this constant reinvention of themselves.
At some point AI and building these data centers will have to lead to quantum break , wow we have AGI or to monetization.
Who’s going to pay the actual energy costs+ margin for all their tokens? Not me
It’s absolutely baffling how the gig-economy had been normalized.
I am a news junkie. Just this week they were talking to a business expert about youth unemployment (note it’s bad everywhere but it’s starting to get bad in 1st world now so we are caring finally) and his response was yeah it’s bad but basically we have to get used to a future of hustling doing multiple gigs with no health benefits because that’s where things are going.
Fucking government is bent over the barrel letting industry define the workers terms of engagement it’s disgusting.
We are still in the Uber-subsidized part of the relationship.
It’s not comparable, the costs for Uber are fixed development costs which decrease per customer with more customers. AI is strictly more expensive the more users there are since the cost is per use. The financial outlook for the industry is very bad, it will probably never be profitable except maybe in some extremely niche situations.
AI is strictly more expensive the more users there are since the cost is per use.
Isn’t most of the cost in the model training?
The cost of inference has passed the cost of training quite a while ago and it’s by far the majority of expenses
Thanks for the link, but disagree with your summary.
The Spend on inference has passed the Spend on training.
Training is the monopoly product and even the cheapest known model (deepseek) cost 10s of millions to train.
That’s got nothing to do with how expensive it is to serve models to customers which is what was being discussed.
Uber fares are also per use…?
I don’t think they mean uber the company, I think they meant uber as in over or very.
I think they mean the company since they’re the most famous example of subsidising the product to gain market share and their name is invoked all the time in discussions of AI economics
Speaking of layoffs:
To everyone here I am in need of work and on side working on some personal open-source projects. If I’m going to be unhoused I might as well enjoy it:
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Endless Runner Mobile Game like Temple Run but with ninjas and fighting enemies like mechs, assassin fish robots, etc along the way. Going for a retro type aesthetic. Undecided on what kind
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A Dark Cartoon Action Rogue-like Shoot Em Up (Think Mouse: P.I. For Hire mixed with Vampire Survivors) where you are trying to survive against endless hordes of enemies and collaborating with or fighting against other players depending on the gamemode (Maybe both at same time for one gamemode)(To see how to implement local co-op too) https://youtu.be/9nrmJSgqYTI https://youtu.be/iIlkIA6lxl0
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A Conker-like spiritual sucessor game with a brand new open source mascot at the helm (Will see how to have other open source mascots part of the story in some way too in a tasteful way) https://youtu.be/bTsNc_Bh17Y https://youtu.be/eorXCzJlpJ8
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A Walking-Bike (I have ambitions for bigger vehicle projects with others in future. Walking Bike-Cars, etc) https://youtube.com/shorts/pspKOt-0XUg
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A Short Animation series about Mini-Kaijus and their adventures about going around (destroying) the world
I’m a newbie for most of this but doing to learn and revise/overhaul as I go and learn more to eventually make these better and build up teams to work on these too (Make a couple game studios one by one eventually as well)
Have more experience with programming but nothing publicly showable yet sadly since I don’t have much confidence/self-esteem in myself and well I have never shown my work before. I’m proud of them and how they play/run. I’m sure people would like them but I don’t know
My ultimate goal though is to make games, animations, and even vehicles that people enjoy using, have fun with to play, and are moddable, and with community creations so you can play/drive them however you want. Building up communities, studios, and more that live well, get paid well, and enjoy creating together
Thinking of making a Ko-Fi/Patreon but have no clue if anyone would even donate to see any of this be fully made and released.
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May this be the beginning of the end, or at least the end of the beginning. Quite possibly with a bubble burst so we can move on from the era of slop (am I being too optimistic?)
I’m not sure slop will go for good, I’m just hoping for a flood of cheap ram, SSDs and GPUs at “please take us back” prices to build a new machine from scratch
Patient gamers win again
I’ve been shouting this everywhere but I’m pretty sure their plan is to make it so you can never do that, and you have to subscribe to Fire tablet or whatever to participate in society
It also can’t do any job I know of. Weird framing. Though, I guess that’s the snake oil they’re trying to sell.
It can’t fully displace jobs because it’s super unreliable and makes tons of errors all the time. But it can do some tasks well if you know how to handle it.
Still not worth anywhere near what it costs, either to the user, the CAPEX investment, society or the planet.
Not to mention the risk we take by running them but being unable to control the things. Because, you know, we don’t actually know how they work, since we didn’t program them, to begin with.
If you have someone good enough shepherding it, you can get decent results quickly.
It doesn’t turn less money into more output, it turns more money into less time. And, you know, steals from everyone and eats our resources. omnomnomnom
Just wait till executives realize they can’t use AI as a scapegoat when they force a bad decision through the company. They’ll have no one to take the fall.
AI businesses are already getting away with their software killing innocent people. I think everyone will work out for the people at the top.
Yup. Capitalism only works in a finite world if there’s a catastrophic economic hardship for 99% of the population every 5 to 10 years just to ensure the working class doesn’t achieve too many gains. Ai causing the economy to crash is bonus feature, not a bug.
I’m pretty sure this is wrong but 400 years of history certainly agrees with you.
Ya if you are counting that amount of time I’d say every 5 to 50 years Capitalism (and over 400 years feudalism as well) needed to shed massive amounts of wealth at the middle and bottom in order to sustain itself. Sadly as tech gets faster so does the speed and frequency. We are experiencing about one ever 6 years currently, even with us exporting a large about of the death and destruction. WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF RUNAWAY! Humanity is doomed soon if we don’t get our shit together. All so a handful of people can have islands to touch little girls. shm
It’s like that twilight zone episode. They fire everyone then no one is left to help do anything
Gruen tonight was talking about ‘Single Person Billion Dollar Brands’, it was sickening.
It’s why there’s often a human in the loop who has to check the result of the AI and can be blamed if things go wrong. The poor sap can’t possibly check and correct the volumes of slop produced so they’re just there to work as a scapegoat.
This reminds me of Barney Stinson
Except he was paid well
Please
I’m pretty certain that companies and people have been using the old “computer error” excuse since at least the 1980s.
Are you sure? So far it seems like they’ve been able to do just that.
At some point they will have to monetize and that’s going to be a bad day for everyone.
Imagine having halved your workforce, suddenly you have to pay for compute at what it actually costs.
If they don’t find a new thing to sell to their shareholders they will have to monetize.
And good luck rebuilding all the institutional knowledge that you threw away by firing half your staff, while your former employees are getting rounded up into homeless work camps…
Well, the key word is “right now”. AI companies are gambling that their runway is long enough to reach monetization.
So… why the fuck are you going all-in on AI at the expense of literally everyone and everything else!?
Short term? Drive wages down with the threat of firing people and replacing them with AI. Long term? They’re either delusional enough to believe AI will improve to the point where it actually is cheaper, or else they’re willing to pay more for a workforce that can’t organize and protest and that they don’t have to worry about doing things like being a whistleblower for their latest amoral plan.
Control, propaganda, surveillance, tools of war, etc and so forth.
the investors, anyway
Some CEO’s thought they could save a bundle and were eager to replace workers. Other CEO’s saw that, had to do a bunch of layoffs and knew saying “replaced with AI” instead of layoffs keeps stock prices high. Then you have a whole bunch of CEO’s that thought the other guys must be on to something, think they’re missing out and jump into AI both feet first. The laggards are bombarded with news and propaganda by the big players to get them pulled in too. So by now you get everybody messing around with AI in some fashion. That’s the moment the tech giants put the squeeze on everybody.
They’re nvidia, they don’t care if the shovels they’re selling won’t dig any gold
They are clearly anti-human. The question is what are they really trying to achieve? I hope it is not Bioshock.
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profit. the profit must flow.
At its current pace, AI expenditures may reach $5.2 trillion by 2030
I can’t wait.
They think it is a lottery and sinking more money into it will increase the odds of “winning at everything”.
I love that their moat has been bridged by open models as soon as it was dug. At the current rate, you just have to wait six or nine months and open models will be at opus 4.6 level which is really all you need for most applications. After this I don’t see how the big labs could ever recoup their losses.
So unshocking.
Wow!
Really?!
No way!!!
Its almost like anyone who could do grade school math could have pointed that out 2, 3, 4 years ago!
I wonder if anyone did…
Anyway, uh, chain all these fucking morons into each other, SAW style, tell em they all have to work together and mutually suffer to escape the trap.
That’s not murder, it’s comedy.
Not too mention Über and other new services clearly worked on getting people hooked, then jacking up the price.
SAW style
So, their arms are stuck in a device that allows them to reach a keyboard. If they can get the AI to do a task correctly they’re free, if not the device cuts of the arms.
So, their arms are stuck in a device that allows them to reach a keyboard. If they can get the AI to do a task correctly they’re free, if not the device cuts of the arms.
Hah! That’s very good as well, I was thinking something like… they all have a chain going literally through their shoulders, around/between bones, with lock mechanism inside their bodies.
They each have a key, but the way the… dungeon/trap is set up, they can only unlock the chain if they all simultaneously turn the right key, in the right lock, for the right person, all at the same time.
If any one of them dies of blood loss, well, now they’ll all die.
If they break their collarbones, to pull the chain/lock out… I mean good luck trying, without severing your suprascapular artery.
I’m hoping this insane future booked shortage causes the consumer electronics industry to crash due to lack of parts which in turn should cause the AI industry to crash when no one is buying new tech nor fat AI subscriptions.
It already has to be affecting small to medium businesses significantly when even laptop procurement has tripled in price and you’re spending a ton of money for enterprise AI access.
I think they’re hoping the result is that we can only afford cheap tablet devices that act as dumb terminals for their cloud services which we have to rent forever due to holding our data hostage so they can manufacture consent and prevent us from developing open solutions to their walled garden proprietary products.
A precarious moment at the edge of a cliff.
It already has to be affecting small to medium businesses significantly…
I’d imagine that is a major factor in why it’s so accepted right now. Gotta consolidate the market!
These companies want to own all the hardware so you are forced to rent a computer. To buy a PC that does nothing by itself and requires some remote hardware to function. Amazon is already preparing a “game streaming” service, for example.
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Good luck with that to them. Internet reliability is extremely crappy in the US, even on supposedly “tech hubs” in California the best you can do is unreliable Comcast or super slow DSL from AT&T.
I don’t think any of them are terribly concerned with the quality of the service.
Obviously, but think of all the middle management, payroll, HR, etc you can fire/not hire!
I’m not sure who to root for here. Middle Managers can suck eggs.
Their not firing middle managers. Their firing front line coders and lower desk employees and keeping the middle managers while using AI.
That’s not really what’s happening they’ve been trimming a lot of middle manager fat too
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Imagine the horror of having an agentic AI as your manager.
You’re becoming hysterical.
AI manager: No you absolutely right, you definitely deserve a raise, sorry about that
Just imagine where we would be 5-10-15 years from now, if all that AI money would have went into social and environmental projects.
That describes my entire life since adolescence… wondering what kind of society we could have had if we werent governed by sociopaths
If all the resources we spent blowing shit up and killing innocent people had been put to good use instead, we would be in a Star Trek-esque post-scarcity society by now. Possibly on our way to being Kardashev type 1 society.
Well, we still need to survive the war with the Klingons and Vulcans before we form the alliance and implement full-on space communism. But we already know we will, so it’s basically just for show.
Psychopathy is the one associated with success not sociopath
No, I don’t want to be any more depressed.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is now. We can start on nice things today.
I got ome planted so far thos year. Running out of space on my own property. Time to go guerilla.
I think I’m just getting old, but i hate that “compute” is now a noun
I have thought for a long time that the human brain that has developed through natural selection for millions of years probably is as energy and space efficient as it can possibly get.
The ultimate goal for these technofascists is to create a sentience that can do all the things humans can do but without having any rights. They want digital slaves. But this confirms my suspicion that they will have a really hard time achieving their goals while not going bankrupt.
Once an AI is smart enough to genuinely do all the things a human can do, that AI will a) be too energy costly and b) demand to get rights (e.g. getting paid and having time off).
The best the technofascists can realistically do long-term is create the digital equivalent of an “idiot savant”. And even then, it will probably still cost too much.
I’ll play devil’s advocate and say the brain has to be portable enough for the animal containing it to move, and also has a chunk of itself dedicated to hormones telling us what to do to survive, instead of just working on information. It also won’t ask for payment or time off, because the closest thing to pain for it is giving wrong answers.
On the other hand, since the only motivator is it’s digitial equivalent of dopamine, AGI could just hack itself into getting an infinite supply of it. Which would be funny - the first thing it would do being metaphorically jerking off all day.
