I think I’m just getting old, but i hate that “compute” is now a noun
I have thought for a long time that the human brain that has developed through natural selection for millions of years probably is as energy and space efficient as it can possibly get.
The ultimate goal for these technofascists is to create a sentience that can do all the things humans can do but without having any rights. They want digital slaves. But this confirms my suspicion that they will have a really hard time achieving their goals while not going bankrupt.
Once an AI is smart enough to genuinely do all the things a human can do, that AI will a) be too energy costly and b) demand to get rights (e.g. getting paid and having time off).
The best the technofascists can realistically do long-term is create the digital equivalent of an “idiot savant”. And even then, it will probably still cost too much.
I’ll play devil’s advocate and say the brain has to be portable enough for the animal containing it to move, and also has a chunk of itself dedicated to hormones telling us what to do to survive, instead of just working on information. It also won’t ask for payment or time off, because the closest thing to pain for it is giving wrong answers.
On the other hand, since the only motivator is it’s digitial equivalent of dopamine, AGI could just hack itself into getting an infinite supply of it. Which would be funny - the first thing it would do being metaphorically jerking off all day.
At least it’s also way fucking worse lmfao
Yeah no shit. It was never about results, it was always about hurting people. It’s a step in the technofascist takeover. Fuck AI. Fuck techbros. Fuck capitalism. That is all.
I should build an autoinvesting bot that takes lemmy comments as input and does the exact opposite of the sentiments of those comments. There’s gonna be some broken clock moments here and there for sure, but overall it might be pretty good.
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So is San Francisco about to hire 100k tech workers back?
100k East Asian tech workers, sure.
AI = Actually Indonesian
AI isnt AI
LLMs are overhyped
This is all a coordinated effort to keep people in fear and distraction while they prop up the stock market with AI hype to make Trump look better than he is. Its all lies and marketing.
I honestly don’t remember it being such a big problem during Biden’s time
Biden wasnt using AI and tech to do his evil bidding
This sounds like the VC money is running out and the subsidies will soon end.
Don’t you worry, the AI companies already gobbled up the entire Internets worth of data, every conversation they could find on their social media networks to train their machine.
And just like Uber, you’ll now have to pay a premium to use their service when it finally works. Don’t worry they’ll still give you the stupid auto complete chat bot and tell you that’s the real AI, The real AI works for the corporate captured government and is figuring out how to get rid of you. Their goal is not enlightenment of the human race, It’s depopulation and control.
This sounds like the VC money is running out
Nah. It sounds like they’re in the dump phase of the pump-and-dump.
And just like Uber, you’ll now have to pay a premium to use their service when it finally works.
But Uber still isn’t any more expensive than contemporary taxi rides (which were already exorbitant thanks to municipal cartelization and bad urban planning). These AI services aren’t a problem as a function of cost (OpenAI and Anthropic are still both giant pits of burning cash) they’re a problem as a function of… function. Like, every agent still needs a professional babysitter or three. The tech debt these features generate often outstrip their real business value. And the tail risks are enormous.
I hail an Uber, I get in the vehicle, I ride to my destination, I pay the fee. That’s no different than a taxi service in any meaningful sense save the interface.
I install an AI agent, I issue a command, <???>, uh… profit? Apparently I can now cancel my Sales Force subscription because now I’ve got eighteen thousand automagically generated Power BI reports blowing up my email using info from databases that got organically spun up on my Amazon account to do god even knows what? Hooray! Optimized!
I’ve been waiting for this to happen. People don’t generally understand datacenters. You have to bring in an unending stream of bare metal in one side to keep them updated and they’re using the fastest, most expensive hardware available, and it’s so cutting edge, it’s obsolete a couple years after they install it. There is no way those measly $200 claude accounts are paying for themselves without VC.
Yeah I don’t see this sentiment enough. It’s not like they’ll buy the graphics cards now and then be done with it, they have to keep buying it over and over again. It’s a rolling expense. Given that the manufacturers can’t keep up with the supposed demand as it is, there’s just no chance it’d ever be sustainable from that perspective alone. Nevermind the massive rolling cost it’d incur.
It was never going to work.
It works if someone corners the market and everyone else gives up. Every single VC thinks they’re the company that is going to do that.
Hmmm. It’s kind of weird that my work pays for every employee for a pro plan at $200/month for 10k credits. I use about 20k credits because I use it for my side projects and work all the time. That only costs the consumer about $600 total (with the $200). I wonder what discount they give the company employees, but also it’s kinda crazy with “how much AI costs” and how much they’re eating to get us hooked. Our company is hooked right now. They’re hoping they can keep this up until people forget how to program and not prompt maybe?
But right now I’m using it as a tool that I’m learning and not replacing my normal flow.
It would be great to not be this expensive.
Womp womp
At some point they will have to monetize and that’s going to be a bad day for everyone.
Imagine having halved your workforce, suddenly you have to pay for compute at what it actually costs.
If they don’t find a new thing to sell to their shareholders they will have to monetize.
Well, the key word is “right now”. AI companies are gambling that their runway is long enough to reach monetization.
And good luck rebuilding all the institutional knowledge that you threw away by firing half your staff, while your former employees are getting rounded up into homeless work camps…
I built my little empire out of some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited working class.
It also can’t do any job I know of. Weird framing. Though, I guess that’s the snake oil they’re trying to sell.
It can’t fully displace jobs because it’s super unreliable and makes tons of errors all the time. But it can do some tasks well if you know how to handle it.
Still not worth anywhere near what it costs, either to the user, the CAPEX investment, society or the planet.
Not to mention the risk we take by running them but being unable to control the things. Because, you know, we don’t actually know how they work, since we didn’t program them, to begin with.
If you have someone good enough shepherding it, you can get decent results quickly.
It doesn’t turn less money into more output, it turns more money into less time. And, you know, steals from everyone and eats our resources. omnomnomnom
Slop software houses are gonna PAY BIG for losing human talent.
I’m just going to note how giga-fucked it is that AI is openly being criticized because it hasn’t led to more layoffs.
Speaking of layoffs:
To everyone here I am in need of work and on side working on some personal open-source projects. If I’m going to be unhoused I might as well enjoy it:
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Endless Runner Mobile Game like Temple Run but with ninjas and fighting enemies like mechs, assassin fish robots, etc along the way. Going for a retro type aesthetic. Undecided on what kind
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A Dark Cartoon Action Rogue-like Shoot Em Up (Think Mouse: P.I. For Hire mixed with Vampire Survivors) where you are trying to survive against endless hordes of enemies and collaborating with or fighting against other players depending on the gamemode (Maybe both at same time for one gamemode)(To see how to implement local co-op too) https://youtu.be/9nrmJSgqYTI https://youtu.be/iIlkIA6lxl0
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A Conker-like spiritual sucessor game with a brand new open source mascot at the helm (Will see how to have other open source mascots part of the story in some way too in a tasteful way) https://youtu.be/bTsNc_Bh17Y https://youtu.be/eorXCzJlpJ8
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A Walking-Bike (I have ambitions for bigger vehicle projects with others in future. Walking Bike-Cars, etc) https://youtube.com/shorts/pspKOt-0XUg
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A Short Animation series about Mini-Kaijus and their adventures about going around (destroying) the world
I’m a newbie for most of this but doing to learn and revise/overhaul as I go and learn more to eventually make these better and build up teams to work on these too (Make a couple game studios one by one eventually as well)
Have more experience with programming but nothing publicly showable yet sadly since I don’t have much confidence/self-esteem in myself and well I have never shown my work before. I’m proud of them and how they play/run. I’m sure people would like them but I don’t know
My ultimate goal though is to make games, animations, and even vehicles that people enjoy using, have fun with to play, and are moddable, and with community creations so you can play/drive them however you want. Building up communities, studios, and more that live well, get paid well, and enjoy creating together
Thinking of making a Ko-Fi/Patreon but have no clue if anyone would even donate to see any of this be fully made and released.
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Just want to point out the “more layoffs” are the Uber-subsidized part of the relationship.
This is the honeymoon and the marriage ain’t off to a great start
It’s absolutely baffling how the gig-economy had been normalized.
I am a news junkie. Just this week they were talking to a business expert about youth unemployment (note it’s bad everywhere but it’s starting to get bad in 1st world now so we are caring finally) and his response was yeah it’s bad but basically we have to get used to a future of hustling doing multiple gigs with no health benefits because that’s where things are going.
Fucking government is bent over the barrel letting industry define the workers terms of engagement it’s disgusting.
The companies need to at least seem to grow forever. See Facebook to meta VR stuff to AI. The business models could not grow forever that’s the reason for this constant reinvention of themselves.
At some point AI and building these data centers will have to lead to quantum break , wow we have AGI or to monetization.
Who’s going to pay the actual energy costs+ margin for all their tokens? Not me
We are still in the Uber-subsidized part of the relationship.
It’s not comparable, the costs for Uber are fixed development costs which decrease per customer with more customers. AI is strictly more expensive the more users there are since the cost is per use. The financial outlook for the industry is very bad, it will probably never be profitable except maybe in some extremely niche situations.
Uber fares are also per use…?
AI is strictly more expensive the more users there are since the cost is per use.
Isn’t most of the cost in the model training?
The cost of inference has passed the cost of training quite a while ago and it’s by far the majority of expenses
Thanks for the link, but disagree with your summary.
The Spend on inference has passed the Spend on training.
Training is the monopoly product and even the cheapest known model (deepseek) cost 10s of millions to train.
I don’t think they mean uber the company, I think they meant uber as in over or very.
I think they mean the company since they’re the most famous example of subsidising the product to gain market share and their name is invoked all the time in discussions of AI economics
