You’re telling one part of the story and one that erases those that struggled against all of that. Their story includes the fight for civil rights, equality, and freedom from slavery and oppression.
The story of abolition or the civil rights movement is not the story of America, even though the bourgeois establishment may have tried to tame MLK Jr. posthumously. All concessions given to labor were for the bourgeoisie to maintain its power, not out of any change of heart. If they thought they could get away with maintaining slavery they would - oh wait, they do, it’s called the prison system.
The civil rights movement of the 60s you mean? Those aren’t our ancestors. They are our oldest contemporaries. Some of them are still alive today. Our ancestors are the the 500 years of European settlers that brought genocide and chattel slavery and systematized rape to this land. The people who fought against those things are the ultra minority. John Brown was hung for treason while the Confederate leaders were given statues and their names were given to university buildings and streets.
No, not just the civil rights movement. You’re again erasing people and oversimplifying the story. You have a bill of rights. The slaveowners were defeated by an army. You have the 14th amendment. Women have the right to vote. There are labor laws and a 40 hour work week. The fascists lost World War 2. We have Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The US has heavily invested in education and research that led to discoveries in science and technology, building a strong economy. Jim Crow laws were abolished. These were all accomplished by people following strong ideals and thinking about the future. Was everyone supporting these things? No. But, enough did that in the end they won out.
Read the history of the bill of rights. Many thought it was a bad idea to enumerate rights because they thought the constitution already protected all of those rights. These same people were raping their slaves and selling the babies
The union did not defeat the slave owners, it defeated the plantation owners. Lincoln famously did not care if slavery was legal or not. The 11 states that seceded from the union were not the only states that had slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was not intended to free the slaves, it only offered emancipation to enslaved people in the 11 states IF those enslaved people took up arms against the rebels. It was a recruitment tool, pure and simple.
Women got the right to vote because women fought for it and women were an oppressed group, rather proving my point than refuting it. Further, even though they got the right to vote they were still disallowed by law to own property, open bank accounts, etc. In the 1950s doctors were providing husbands with ice pick lobotomies for their wives, literally jamming an ice pick behind the eyeball to destroy specific nerves in the frontal lobe, making the women docile robots without harming their “pretty faces”. Literally. This is not an exaggeration.
The US has the resources to invest in r&d because it stole vast amounts of wealth from the rest of the world, including right here from the original inhabitants of the land. The US made native Americans mine radioactive uranium without any safety equipment, literally barefoot in the mud, so they could research the atomic bomb and then drop it on two major population centers of an enemy they already defeated and were negotiating a surrender with. The vast majority of R&D the US invested in was through the military in their ever burning passion to kill more people and dominate more of the world. That’s why the Nazi Verner Von Braun was rescued from Germany before he could stand trial and made into a prominent NASA scientist.
The fascists lost WW2 because the Soviets defeated 80% of their forces and marched into and straight through Berlin. There’s a reason why West Berlin was inside East Germany. But you didn’t realize that either. In East Germany the fascists really did lose, as the Soviets imprisoned or executed anyone that was supportive of the fascists. Meanwhile in West Germany former openly Nazi politicians were elected into office all over the country. It made some people so upset they resisted and the West branded them as terrorists and even invented a whole new psychological disease to explain why hostages would side with the anti-fascist “terrorists” - Stockholm Syndrome.
Jim Crow laws were put in place after the Black Codes. The Black Codes were put in place to imprison the recently freed black slaves. The US prison system went from 90% white to 90% black in under 10 years. The Black folks they imprisoned were leased back to the plantation owners where they lived their lives as slaves AGAIN. The 13th amendment didn’t end slavery. It only ended private slavery. Prison slaves are fine. That’s why prison slaves make over $11B in profits for the government and private corporations just through the labor, to say nothing of being one of the only countries that charges prisoners hundreds of dollars a day to be in prison. The Clintons, when Bill was Governor of Arkansas had black house slaves because the Governor’s Mansion was staffed by prisoners who were given labor jobs without pay. The Clinton’s did not change this.
And since the 1970s the US has had the largest housed-prison population in the world by percentage of population, worse than the Soviet GULAGs at their peak and always worse by multiples than anything the Chinese have done to their own people. But that’s JUST prison population. The parole system, where people are surveilled daily, is twice as large as the prison population. There is nothing in the world like it. The US abolished Jim Crow but didn’t stop the imprisonment, enslavement, surveillance, and cold-blooded murder and rape of black people.
Not to mention that we have public records indicating that the end of Jim Crow was accompanied by a deliberate and explicit strategy by US politicians to mask the system behind softer language. The results are the same.
Your definition of “winning out in the end” leaves much to be desired, to put it mildly. Native Americans today are still undergoing a slow motion genocide where their cultures, knowledge, land, and people are all disappearing. Black people are still being murdered by vigilantes. The prison system has only gotten worse, never better.
Stop looking at the lipstick and saying that we have won hard fought victories when the pig is fatter and more bloated than ever.
So very enlightened. “Your choices are subjugation by the psychotic raping genocidal ruling class of yesterday or subjugation by the psychotic raping genocidal ruling class of today.”
You’re telling one part of the story and one that erases those that struggled against all of that. Their story includes the fight for civil rights, equality, and freedom from slavery and oppression.
The story of abolition or the civil rights movement is not the story of America, even though the bourgeois establishment may have tried to tame MLK Jr. posthumously. All concessions given to labor were for the bourgeoisie to maintain its power, not out of any change of heart. If they thought they could get away with maintaining slavery they would - oh wait, they do, it’s called the prison system.
The civil rights movement of the 60s you mean? Those aren’t our ancestors. They are our oldest contemporaries. Some of them are still alive today. Our ancestors are the the 500 years of European settlers that brought genocide and chattel slavery and systematized rape to this land. The people who fought against those things are the ultra minority. John Brown was hung for treason while the Confederate leaders were given statues and their names were given to university buildings and streets.
No, not just the civil rights movement. You’re again erasing people and oversimplifying the story. You have a bill of rights. The slaveowners were defeated by an army. You have the 14th amendment. Women have the right to vote. There are labor laws and a 40 hour work week. The fascists lost World War 2. We have Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. The US has heavily invested in education and research that led to discoveries in science and technology, building a strong economy. Jim Crow laws were abolished. These were all accomplished by people following strong ideals and thinking about the future. Was everyone supporting these things? No. But, enough did that in the end they won out.
Read the history of the bill of rights. Many thought it was a bad idea to enumerate rights because they thought the constitution already protected all of those rights. These same people were raping their slaves and selling the babies
The union did not defeat the slave owners, it defeated the plantation owners. Lincoln famously did not care if slavery was legal or not. The 11 states that seceded from the union were not the only states that had slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was not intended to free the slaves, it only offered emancipation to enslaved people in the 11 states IF those enslaved people took up arms against the rebels. It was a recruitment tool, pure and simple.
Women got the right to vote because women fought for it and women were an oppressed group, rather proving my point than refuting it. Further, even though they got the right to vote they were still disallowed by law to own property, open bank accounts, etc. In the 1950s doctors were providing husbands with ice pick lobotomies for their wives, literally jamming an ice pick behind the eyeball to destroy specific nerves in the frontal lobe, making the women docile robots without harming their “pretty faces”. Literally. This is not an exaggeration.
The US has the resources to invest in r&d because it stole vast amounts of wealth from the rest of the world, including right here from the original inhabitants of the land. The US made native Americans mine radioactive uranium without any safety equipment, literally barefoot in the mud, so they could research the atomic bomb and then drop it on two major population centers of an enemy they already defeated and were negotiating a surrender with. The vast majority of R&D the US invested in was through the military in their ever burning passion to kill more people and dominate more of the world. That’s why the Nazi Verner Von Braun was rescued from Germany before he could stand trial and made into a prominent NASA scientist.
The fascists lost WW2 because the Soviets defeated 80% of their forces and marched into and straight through Berlin. There’s a reason why West Berlin was inside East Germany. But you didn’t realize that either. In East Germany the fascists really did lose, as the Soviets imprisoned or executed anyone that was supportive of the fascists. Meanwhile in West Germany former openly Nazi politicians were elected into office all over the country. It made some people so upset they resisted and the West branded them as terrorists and even invented a whole new psychological disease to explain why hostages would side with the anti-fascist “terrorists” - Stockholm Syndrome.
Jim Crow laws were put in place after the Black Codes. The Black Codes were put in place to imprison the recently freed black slaves. The US prison system went from 90% white to 90% black in under 10 years. The Black folks they imprisoned were leased back to the plantation owners where they lived their lives as slaves AGAIN. The 13th amendment didn’t end slavery. It only ended private slavery. Prison slaves are fine. That’s why prison slaves make over $11B in profits for the government and private corporations just through the labor, to say nothing of being one of the only countries that charges prisoners hundreds of dollars a day to be in prison. The Clintons, when Bill was Governor of Arkansas had black house slaves because the Governor’s Mansion was staffed by prisoners who were given labor jobs without pay. The Clinton’s did not change this.
And since the 1970s the US has had the largest housed-prison population in the world by percentage of population, worse than the Soviet GULAGs at their peak and always worse by multiples than anything the Chinese have done to their own people. But that’s JUST prison population. The parole system, where people are surveilled daily, is twice as large as the prison population. There is nothing in the world like it. The US abolished Jim Crow but didn’t stop the imprisonment, enslavement, surveillance, and cold-blooded murder and rape of black people.
Not to mention that we have public records indicating that the end of Jim Crow was accompanied by a deliberate and explicit strategy by US politicians to mask the system behind softer language. The results are the same.
Your definition of “winning out in the end” leaves much to be desired, to put it mildly. Native Americans today are still undergoing a slow motion genocide where their cultures, knowledge, land, and people are all disappearing. Black people are still being murdered by vigilantes. The prison system has only gotten worse, never better.
Stop looking at the lipstick and saying that we have won hard fought victories when the pig is fatter and more bloated than ever.
What point are you trying to make? There has been no social progress in 500 years? I just don’t buy it.
Got it, you would rather be a 17th century peasant or an 18th century slave than live in whatever ugly society we have created now for ourselves.
So very enlightened. “Your choices are subjugation by the psychotic raping genocidal ruling class of yesterday or subjugation by the psychotic raping genocidal ruling class of today.”
You must be fun at parties