• ceenote@lemmy.world
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    It reads like a joke but it’s just a straight description of how flat earthers think.

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      7 hours ago

      Since their view would always be through glass, they’d say it was all a simulation

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      It’s quite literally a joke about the Antarctica trip. There was one who changed their mind and was heavily ostracized for it.

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        My favorite theory from that whole debacle is that those guys actually went to the Las Vegas Sphere, which is apparently a giant green screen now (its not)

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        That’s the problem. Believing in a flat earth isn’t just some weird quirk, like believing that gluten is bad for you or the number 4 is bad luck because in Chinese it sounds like the word for death. You can have beliefs like that and still maintain friendships with people who don’t share them. It’s such an illogical belief that people who express it are always mocked, and it’s also such a big “conspiracy” that believers have trouble not talking about it. That means believers tend to form a community to support each-other and defend against these insults. It’s basically an especially stupid religious community or a cult.

        Giving up on your belief that the earth is flat means losing your whole community. There’s no real way to be a sphere-earther in the flat earther community. Some of the people “lose faith” but don’t admit it to the others in the community because they don’t want to be ostracized.

        I would guess that the people who manage to leave the community are the ones who have friends and family that are willing to forgive and forget and welcome them back after they leave the cult. That also means that the ones who have lost their friends and family due to their wacky beliefs are never going to drop those beliefs because they’ll have nothing left.

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          People do this all the time in hobby groups and other social formations.

          Right now in cycling the industry is pushing a new wheel size, and people are freaking out about it and saying they will ostracize people who buy a new bike with the new wheels. And every youtuber influencer is like making videos about how they will stay loyal to the old size… and they all did this over a decade ago and in a few years they will all be huge proponents of the new wheels once they are socially acceptable to do so, when it’s established and no longer ‘new and scary’.

          Everyone desperately wants to signal to the herd they are part of the group, until the herd makes it acceptable to change your mind.

    • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      It’s a description about how so many people think about so many things. Flat earth is just an obviously silly one that we can mock people for.

      The reality is that so many people simply refuse to accept new information that contradicts their previously held views. To the point where it has contributed to societal breakdown.

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        YEAH BUT I SAW IT IN A MOVE THAT PENGUINS ARE MONOGAMOUS FOR LIFE, in a movie 20 years ago.

        I don’t want to be told that they are only monogamous for each year and they over their lives they have 20 different partners.

        One thing is beautiful and magical, the other means they are disgusting flightless sluts.

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    “NASA hacked my eyes” is honestly peak commitment to the bit. No amount of evidence can defeat advanced denial technology. 😂

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    >Go to doctor  
    >Get CT scan of my head  
    >Totally normal, eyes not hacked  
    >NASA must have replaced the windows in the space station with 8K screens.

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    No. When someone goes into outer space NASA actually rolls out a giant painting of “round” Earth. There are no limits to the craziness these people will go through to hide the truth.

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    We need to understand that flat earthers don’t lack the knowledge or experience to accept the evidence that can be made objective, but that they refuse a worldview that is not made by them.

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      Flat earthers are just a niche whacko conspiracy group that’s being amplified by those participating in real conspiracies so that the general population thinks all conspiracies are just crazy talk.

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        ofc, but they work because people are alienated and need a feeling of control

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      The round earth viewpoint is very boring to discuss. It is round, obviously, but anything fun about that feels like math to talk about. A myth about a flat earth feels mystical and like you’re in a secret group. There’s an appeal in believing something that skeptics have a hard time understanding. I know, I’ve been both in my life, and the struggle is real. (Never a flat earther, though)

      • TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world
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        same with vaccines. saying they just work, isn’t exciting.

        claiming they cause autism and are destroying society and we’re better off without them, makes you feel special and smart. your kids won’t get them because your kids are different and healthier and better, than those lowly vaccine-riddled kids.

        also HER NAME IS SPELLED ASHLUIY.

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    Science is used to help Describe, Explain, Predict, and Control any phenomena studied. The Describe and Explain part would be the pure science, and the Predict and Control parts are the applied science part.

    Instead of letting a Flat Earther moo on and on about the Describe and Explain part, force them to show devices, procedures or processes that have been created out of Flat Earther Descriptions and Explanations of reality.

    If their observations are accurate, they should be able to demonstrate or generate something useful from their special knowledge. It should be something that simply cannot be generated using conventional Round Earth Descriptions or Explanations.

    Tl;dr: Flat Earthers are unable to demonstrate practical application of their special knowledge that improves any process.

    If they don’t produce, the discussion is over.

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      Look, they can make experiments, the problem is that every single one they do proves the earth is round.

      I love the experiment flat earthers used in a Netflix documentary. They put a light source and two panels with small holes at the same height in them to focus the light. If the earth is flat, a camera would capture the light if it is at the same height as the last hole:

      Picture showing a flat earth with the holes and camera at the same height

      And if the earth is round, the camera would need to be higher to capture the light

      The diagram now shows the man at the end holding the camera over his head to capture the light

      When they checked the experiment at the same height, there was no light. Thinking it was a problem with the setup, they raised the camera and the light appeared. Their comment was “Huh” or something similar.

      As far as I know, there are no flat earth explanations for this result.

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        hold on, i know that earth is an oblate spheroid not a sphere. i’m trying to think of how to flat earth this and it’s really hard. i’m just not smart enough to be that stupid and it really impresses me at some of the people who put together straight faced arguments for it. they must have to do so many takes.

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      Maybe they’re just 4-dimensional, thinking 3-dimensional, and when they’re in 3d- space, it’s 2-dimensional for them?

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        I’m more interested in the put up or shut up, and less interested in the alleged internal struggle that prevents them from doing so.

        Produce.

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    I do get a good laugh when every once in a while a flat earther comes up with a newer and more convoluted way of proving that the earth is in fact round. Then there’s the bonus round where they do the Olympic level mental gymnastics to explain why their own results don’t prove anything.

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    Hey, back in the 90s, I went to an theme park and they had those IMAX screen with moving chairs and you felt like you were getting chased by the shark or the dinosaurs. So imagine what they can do now when they stuff you in a small cabin, they can make you believe ANYTHING! Who’s crazy now huh?

    Tap for spoiler

    /s, obvs

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      hey where’s this cabin they stuff you in where they make you believe anything? i could use a weekend off and would like to believe i’m marilyn monroe

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    I know this is a joke, but there was that group who was taken for a free trip to antarctica. We must stop rewarding flat earthers and anti science! Just ignore them, don’t try to prove anything to them, show them they’re not worth even getting close to

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    no no, you’re right, the earth is flat, it’s always been flat. it’s just flat in a round way which can trick people who dont know how to look properly.

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    What’s the explanation for the shape of the Moon, Sun, all other planets, etc… in the flat earth mindset?

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      One aspect of flat earth is to put earth back to the center of the universe. Other planets are just dots in the sky, we are the real thing

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        Which is what the bible says also. Thats why its a popular belief. It can be interpreted such that we are under a dome and on the other side is water, not space.

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      they got vaccines and became gay and round and autistic.

      back before we were shooting vaccines into them with our gay vaccine rockets they were totally flat and straight.

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    I remember once while debating religion, Sam Harris making a point about how, when sharing certain beliefs, people pay an immediate price when they talk about them. The one in particular is that Elvis is still alive.

    He wasn’t specifically talking about conspiracy theories, but it made me think about them, nonetheless. If I did my math right, were Elvis still alive, he’d be 91 years old today. So, it’s far, far more likely that Elvis is alive than it is that the Earth is flat.

    Flat earthers do pay that sort of price, but I don’t think we ridicule them enough, compared to how much more ridiculous their views are than the people who think Elvis is still alive.