I can’t. I just can’t.
Drunk driving is one thing but it will also judge how tired you are? Driving tired is dangerous. Unfortunately a huge portion of our economy runs on people working too many hours at too many jobs. A huge invasion of privacy with all sorts of knockon effects.
For the people who think they will disable this. You won’t be able to without also disabling your car and voiding your warrenty.
A car warranty lasts like 2 years. I can’t afford a car less than 2 years old.
One of the few upsides to Hyundai 10 year warranty may not be perfect. But it pretty much makes sure the car at least goes vroom the entire time.
Why are govts like this suddenly? All in a arms race against privacy?
Not suddenly. It’s been going on at least as far back as 2001. Probably more. It’s generally not the gov’t either as the gov’t is mostly driven by moneyed private interests like large corporations. They always push in different ways to get more power to make profit. Get rid of a regulation, make new regulation, get a subsidy, limit rights to resist some abuse, etc. Sometimes it’s just more obvious that others in general, or it’s in an are we personally pay attention to, and we’re like WTAF.
Because late stage capitalism, lobbyists pushed legislators to allow data collection so that it can be sold to insurance companies who also lobbied so that they can charge more for premiums.
Every company makes more profit.
We don’t live in a democracy anymore.
Control, why else?
How about limiting the insanely bright headlights first?
You can do that yourself, those insanely bright headlights are just LED lights. The old halogen bulbs have a warmer light and are less blinding. I agree that LED bulbs should be illegal because they’re dangerous, but it has nothing to do with cars being newer or older, its the bulbs themselves.
The people that are smart enough to adjust their headlights aren’t the problem. The majority of people aren’t and they drive with those stadium lights everywhere.
Which is why I said they should be illegal. No idea why I’m being downvoted for telling the truth but whatever…
Of course it is just the headlights but they’ve become more commonplace. I don’t remember them being as ubiquitous as they are now. The newer LED ones are the worst because they aren’t dispersed and are like pinpoint sources.
Is it the bright headlights or the abundance of trucks raised so high that the headlights beam directly into your eyeballs…
Both. It’s both.
The day the vehicle I paid for doesn’t work because a goddamn sensor thinks I’m not fit to drive is the day I break my foot off in someone’s ass.
Fuck this dystopian shit show we’re creating for ourselves.
Vote better.
And ride a bike
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This is fucked. But aren’t “passenger vehicles” actually quite rare? I think most (environmental and safety) regulation is on passenger vehicles, which is why auto manufacturers try and sell so many trucks and SUVs since they don’t count as “passenger vehicles”. I could be wrong and this mandate is going to target all consumer vehicles.
Fuck all cars and our American car brained culture. But also fuck this legislation.
You are wrong. The move to SUVs and trucks is because the the larger a vehicle is, the more lenient the regulations are. That’s why the current Ranger is larger than a 90s F150.
It’s that, plus other factors. The regulations are more lenient, it’s easier to get a more efficient engine in with more mass to work with, it’s easier to pass safety ranking checks, and it’s easier to put comfort features in that consumers want.
Putting a large crumple zone on a compact isn’t as easy as putting one on a giant truck.
(Note this isn’t saying big cars are more or proportionally more efficient , but that the efficiency advances they’ve made over the years are easier to implement in a large engine)
guess its time to buy the 1995 ford then?
Why the actual fuck would you buy a Ford. Literally the worse conceivable option.
Reminder that this requires all vehicles be SOLD with the tech. It says nothing about what happens to it after purchase.
Just pull the fuse for the onstar radio. It can log all it wants locally.
They prevented that from working years ago. Now it’s usually on a critical circuit that you can’t just disable.
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Every technical hurdle they put up, is defeatable.
Every time they make the wall higher, we make the ladder longer.
There will come a time where there will be a privacy-conscious choice and that might require flashing the infotainment system.
We’re getting closer to one of Cory Doctrows stories. I can’t find a direct link, but its on this page under the name “Plausible Deniability”
To be perfectly blunt, no not every hurdle is defeatable. To even consider that to be true is fucking retarded. There is a point where your option is to deal with it or use something else.
Modifications can be made illegal, hardware can be made unobtainable legally outside of vendor contracts, real time motion data to insurance can be mandated, etc.
Even if you go out of your way to bypass everything you can The simple fact is, at some point you WILL be pulled over or get into an accident. And at that point if the powers that be decide what you did breaks a law then your still fucked. Or that you broke your insurance contract with your modifications.
Just because you can do something doesnt mean you can get away with it if caught. And everyone’s caught at some point. You either end up in jail or uninsurable and monetarily fucked.
Well now see, now I’m at a cross roads. On the one hand, fuck privacy violations.
On the other hand, fuck drunk drivers.
I guess in the end, my logic is that this will barely be used to detect drunk drivers, and FULLY used to track you in real time.
So lets all fuck over their technology by making nothing but right turns for 8 hours. Just a massive small circle. For 8 hours, every day.
Then it will be assumed their tracking is broken, and they’ll waste time figuring out whats broken.
If we all do this, every day, in electric vehicles powered by solar chargers, then we’ll save the world!
Or… leave the tech sitting at home reporting a pre-recorded route over and over.
How are you going to leave the tech at home when the tech is the car?
i got the idea from this movie about this bus that had to speed around a city, keeping its speed over 50. and if its speed dropped, it would explode. i think it was called The Bus That Couldn’t Slow Down.
I never understood with that one why they didn’t just put it up on blocks; it was reading the speedometer, not even GPS.
Guess it wouldn’t have made for as good a movie.
They only found out about it once the bus was in motion. It’s pretty hard to get that set up on a moving bus.
Cars have been privacy nightmares for quite a while. People simply do not care.
I care. But they make it really hard to remove or disable that shit.
Toyota did it lazily in my '21 Rav4, just pull the fuse for the modem and it doesn’t care. Just don’t let a dealer plug into the system in case that data can still be downloaded physically
good luck having it serviced without a computer
I think, you better can buy cars without will that fancy shit and add features by aftermarket devices than doing it any using all that closed eco system crap from the manufacturer.
I refuse to tie my (new to me) car to the internet or my phone, so I use the aux jack, CD player, and have a garmin perched on the dash, despite the fucking car having 5 screens.
A $15 amazon bluetooth to radio device (that has a usb c fast charging port in it) has been all I need to move from old car to old car and have what I want in a car. Honestly most of what is in those systems is not worth the hassle of dealing with the touch screen.
Especially touch screens suck so hard when driving…
I am never buying a car built after 2016
Why 2016 specifically?
2018 makes more sense, that’s when backup cameras were mandatory so since they were putting in a screen manufacturers made every car have an ‘infotainment’ center and with all of that processing power comes logging and other privacy invading features.
Really I don’t go past 2008 myself. That was a cliff car manufactures went off after the sub prime mortgage fun fun time.
Naaaaah, my 2016 RAV4 Hybrid is balling. Back up camera, 360 sensors, remote start, heated seats, medium screen with buttons and knobs instead of touch, push start, stick shift, and the best part: no wifi on-board (through my phone only). Cars peaked right here.
I have a 2016 outback. No android auto… But I’m in the same boat. Backup camera. Sensors self driving no wifi no forced updates. Etc.
I don’t need anything more.
Praying for our cars to survive at least another 15 years, bud 🙏
Yeah agreed. One of the great things about the outback is there’s a DIY group around it. So there’s a lot of YouTube videos out there on car maintenance and upgrades etc So that kind of where I’m at with it these days too
I daily a 1985, how boned do you think I am?
Every technology is eventually used against you by the state
