• DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca
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    2 years ago

    Why do people eat food they know isn’t good for their health? Why do people continue to buy products from companies that have proven to only sell bad products or engage in scumbag practices?

    They all have the same answer.

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      2 years ago

      It turns out in 1961 the American heart Association took bribery money from procter and gamble, who owned and sold “healthier Crisco” cooking oils that weren’t high in saturated fat, like beef and other cooking oils were.

      The AHA then claimed and pushed that saturated fats caused heart disease.

      Problem is, something like 88% of every study done in the past 60 years has found little to no link between heart disease and saturated fats.

      So beef, according to most studies, isn’t bad for you. The AHA was just crooked and on the take, being paid off to sell Crisco.

      Now it is calorie dense and people tend to eat too much of it, but that seems to be a lot of things. Don’t eat too much or you get fat. But apparently, you don’t have to worry about saturated fats being bad for you.

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        2 years ago

        WHO report

        someone else online summarized the genetics part as the following:

        Mandelian randomisation studies show that LDL-c is causative in atherogenic plaques 1 and metabolic ward RCTs show that SFA intakes increase LDL-c, while the decrease in SFAs lead to lower total and LDL-c 2.

        But yes, almost all nutrition science is a bit inconclusive because of genetic variation.

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          Forgive me, because I’m struggling to understand the linked information, but as someone with atherosclerosis this is an issue close to my heart (ha!).

          I just want to make sure I understand you.

          Your link to the european heart journal says that the causal link between LDL and ASCVD is “unequivocal”.

          I think the WHO study says (amongst a lot of other complicated stuff) that replacing SFAs with PUFAs and MUFAs is more favourable than replacing SFAs with complex carbohydrates? The strong implication being (although I couldn’t see this exactly) that higher SFA intake contributes to heart disease.

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            2 years ago

            I don’t think it tries to compare carbohydrates to any UFAs, but the implication is indeed that SFAs significantly contribute to heart disease.

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      2 years ago

      I’m a native whose culture have hunted and eaten meat for millennia, what propaganda were my ancient ancestors being shown?

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        2 years ago

        What does what your ancestors did have to do with what we now know about modern factory farming? The question was about still eating beef despite what we know today, what does that have to do with your ancestors? Is your comment not the very definition of a strawman?

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              The future will absolutely not look down on cultures that have to rely on animals for food. Do we look at native Americans as horrible people because they had to slaughter animals, in a controlled, and relatively well thought out manner?

              Personally I believe the most likely alternative will be bugs. Do bugs not count as an animal? Or would you say bugs shouldn’t be eaten either

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            1 month ago

            “We owned slaves for a long time, who are you to tell me it’s wrong?”

            Hello. We are trying to be decent human beings. Please join us in building a better society. I don’t give a shit how many people were wrong for how long, wrong is wrong and we know better now.

  • SnoopSqueak@lemmy.today
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    Because people are selfish and shortsighted. I was for most of my life, it wasn’t until this year that my excuses stopped working for me.

    I love cows more than beef. There is a crazy amount of pro-beef propaganda in the comments here. No, most people do not require meat. I hope most people would change their habits if they saw the consequences of their choices.

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    2 years ago

    because not every country produce beef like you westerner. and not everyone eat beef everyday.

    go make your government ban beef like you ban palm oil if you really care about earth.

    • 3volver@lemmy.worldOP
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      2 years ago

      go make your government ban beef

      I would get them to end all subsidies for the beef industry if I could. Unfortunately I’m not in control of that, all I can do is bring up discussion, and I got you to comment, so I succeeded.

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      No, they don’t. I used to smoke, nicotine is a fucking bitch of a drug, somehow I managed to quit using vaping and nicotine gum over 2 years. Beef is not an addictive chemical. You must never have experienced nicotine drug, what a naive ass comment to make.

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    3 months ago

    The USA has abundant farmland and the ability to feed its own citizens with its existing agriculture. Beef is tasty and I’m glad we have so many cows we can eat. If the rest of the world doesn’t like that they are free to eat as many bugs as they want.

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    2 years ago

    1 the amount of beef I eat is not a major contributer to the problem. No matter how hard I try. The actual major contributors what to distract people by telling them that they can make the difference. They can’t. 2 I don’t like plants… 3 the way the grow plants for food is also terrible for earth

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      The major contributors only sell what people buy. They won’t stop so long as there’s money to be made. And most plants grown for food go to feed animals.

      You don’t like plants because you’re a big baby.

      So yeah, your arguments suck.