• yermaw@sh.itjust.works
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    9 days ago

    My son honestly doesn’t understand that America was genuinely considered to be the good guys until quite recently.

    Edit to add : whether they actually were or not is way beyong my scope before someone starts up with “you havent been paying attention” and “dont you even know about reagan” etc.

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        9 days ago

        Europe, at least the parts of it I know well. The ww2 ending had that effect, which was then supported even more by the contrast of relative freedom compared to the totalitarian Russian hell many European countries fell into afterwards.

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          9 days ago

          There is quite a bit of the world who experiences America directly as the bad guy or indirectly funding the bad guys. Eurocentrism is its own issue.

          Europe, as is laid bare by Trump, exists as a lap dog to America as long as america was willing to pay lip service and to some sort of equality and drop some scraps from the table. It took the meaningless posturing of Trump saying he’ll annex Greenland for anyone in leadship to acknowledge the shit position Europe put themselves in. Just because Western Europe was in a better position than the neighbors or frankly much of the rest of the world doesn’t mean that they were in a good position for the capricious changes of American whimsy. That is not power that is just being adjacent to power.

          And now utterly unprepared to deal with a narcissist ungrounded in the historical alliance between America and western europe. And it’s not like this is the first time he’s been in power. And if you think America will put someone like that in power again then you failed to understand the conditions of Americans. For fuck’s sake, there are places where they still call it freedom fries because the French didn’t join a terrible war.

          Europe continues to be utterly unprepared for making the changes of another American narcissist. They are incapable of conceptualizing themselves as some sort of federated political entity that might have a political will other than whatever general direction America decides to lumber towards.

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            9 days ago

            Sure, but I didnt grow up in one of the places they invaded. To the Vietnamese they’re undoubtedly villains, but to a lot of the world they were “the leaders of the free world”. They were Elvis, big cars, burger joints and blues music, they were the flag planted on the moon. Before we had the internet, we experienced it through mainstream media.

            I think you’ve deliberately misunderstood the concept to go on an unnecessary rant about america bad.