And that’s why I’ll never move to Singapore.
Because you cant avoid repercussions of easily avoidable actions?
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Yep, thats the typical response when people are backed into a corner and cant make a valid retort.
LOL you didnt realize that wasnt comment OP. Username still fits.
And another one attacking the person cause they cant say anything against the message.
No, because I require prescriptions that would earn me a death sentence there.
You might want to get a better doctor. Cannabis has been found to be ineffective for most of the conditions it’s prescribed for. The very few that it has shown effectiveness for have better treatment options available. https://www.uclahealth.org/news/release/evidence-lacking-medical-cannabis-most-conditions
Cannabis has been found to be ineffective for most of the conditions it’s prescribed for.
No, it hasn’t.
Cannabis has been proven to be a very effective treatment for nausea and seizures and more (as your source clearly indicates immediately).
Reading is hard ¯\(ツ)/¯
Also, studies were quite impossible until recently (with the relaxation of The Drug War). We’re still learning about the efficacy.
Regardless, cannabis has been an effective treatment for many medical issues for centuries for a reason, as we are still discovering, as your source clearly indicates.
Ain’t cannabis, which is exactly my point since the classification of “narcotic” is too arbitrary to justify the sentence of death, but thanks for the pop medsci slop.
As far as I know, all other narcotics prescribed in the US are allowed in Singapore with an HSA approval, which is exactly my point.
I’m not in the US, and I know for an absolute fact that mine isnt. Even if that were all true, guess what, that permit would not qualify me to move there with my medication as it is not permanent. Even if that wasn’t the fucking case, then I would still not want to risk a lapse in renewing my permit or filing it improperly and losing access to my medication or worse.
You do not know enough about this topic to be so dedicated to pushing misinformation. Fuckin internet dudes die on hills they don’t even care about enough to look up shit, why?
Take a chill pill. I did look up the HSA application for medicines. Cannabis and chewing gums were specifically banned, but nothing else was called out.
Because they will never let him in in the first place. Vast majority of countries don’t take in immigrants.
Very smug, how many innocent deaths are you comfortable with?
Cops are found planting evidence all around the world… the judged are proven innocent with DNA every day.
… and even if everything above wasn’t the case, even IF every one of the guilty were truly guilty… they were each murdered by the State, many with no blood on their hands.
It’s an abomination. But be smug about it, it lets everybody know what you are
You know what else is easily avoidable? Not murdering people. Singapore should try it
Singapore does try it.
Thats why there are warnings everywhere about what will happen to you if you are so unfathomably self centered and stupid to try and do it anyways.
Basically begging people NOT to do it.
And no amount of your performative pearl clutching will change the fact that this is the smugglers fault and that he faced the very publicly known consequences of it.
Trying to compare it to police planting evidence is a fucking insult to actual victims.
But I’m the smug one. Yeah, sure buddy.
Singapore does try it.
Not very hard. Stop murdering people over transporting plants.
Simple.
Thats why there are warnings everywhere about what will happen to you if you are so unfathomably self centered and stupid to try and do it anyways. Basically begging people NOT to do it.
Doesn’t matter, still murder.
And no amount of your performative pearl clutching will change the fact that this is the smugglers fault and that he faced the very publicly known consequences of it.
Not the smuggler’s fault often; many are doing this unaware. For example, driving a vehicle for work without knowing your coworker is a smuggler.
But, even IF every single one was 100% guilty (even though this is not the case), it’s murder.
Many are totally innocent. It doesn’t matter to you.
Trying to compare it to police planting evidence is a fucking insult to actual victims.
Wrong. Imprisoning and murdering people over plants is a fucking insult to all humanity
But I’m the smug one. Yeah, sure buddy.
You’re revolting to me, pal. You are defending murder.
Singapore loves to pretend it’s a modern country with it’s gardens and fancy buildings.
But beneath the surface is an overworked population ruled by a family dictatorship.
The dictatorship is how you get the gardens and fancy buildings.
No, that’s from science and engineers and public works. Fascists just like to co-opt that because it LOOKS socialist and try to use that to trick people.
Giant bronze statues of themselves, castles, starvation, fear, poor decisions, and heavy militarization is what dictatorships ACTUALLY get you.
No, that’s from science and engineers and public works.
We have scientists, engineers, and city planners too in America, despite what anyone says. But we don’t have the draconian enforcement that these places have.
It’s china with a better passport. There is no freedom of press there.
Disneyland with the death penalty. - William Gibson
family dictatorship.
It’s effectively a single party state with an elected dictator, but AFAIK their prime ministers and presidents don’t come all from the same family.
You’re right it’s not a dictatorship like North Korea, but it’s elections are also not as clean and fair as other modern democracies.
The same ruling party has dominated since independence, and maintained structural imbalance suppressing the ability for any meaningful opposition to rise.
While leadership in Singapore isn’t hereditary, the nation has been guided by a very small political elite originating from Lee Kuan Yew.
Is picture related or not? If so, looks like he’s got a few keys of coke or meth, a key of heroin or MDMA (tan powder bag) and a bunch of bags of pills that I assume are meth because they are into taking that shit orally in Asia.
I am reading “Singaporean man executed for importing cannibals” and I am thinking “why would anyone import cannibals???”
well I’m sure he won’t ever do that again!
surely he learned his lesson.
Challenging to criticize Singapore if you’re from somewhere with monthly massacres of school children.
Not at all. Murder is murder regardless of the country.
How could you possibly think that is challenging? Of course it should be criticized.
the monthly massacres aren’t government policy. executing a cannabis trafficker is.
Good news! Lemme just go to the parents and tell them!
I don’t see what schoolkids parents has to do with a government sanctioned execution of a cannabis trafficker.
aren’t government policy
That could be debated. They’re certainly at least the standard they walk past and accept.
if you’re putting officially written and sanctioned government executions in writing up against the unofficial unsanctioned killings not in writing, I’d be more scared of what the government has written down in policy as there is no possible alternative.
That makes a ton of difference to the dead schoolkids.
the article doesn’t say anything about the schoolkids POV on the dead traffickers or maybe you should just stay on topic
There is an active policy of not preventing cold massacres. Hope that clarifies the point.
… and Singapore has an active policy of condoning and committing murder. That’s bad.
I pray that clears things up for you.
There is no official “active policy” at the national level that I’m aware of. -As for unofficial policy, that varies from one municipality to the next, and from one state to the next. Is the Singaporean policy of executing cannabis traffickers not an official national policy carried out uniformly across the country?
Not very relevant distinction for the murdered children
not really relevant to the topic at hand.
Not everyone on the internet lives in the US
Two things can both be bad.
Impossible
what a shithole
Is that a mirror or a microphone?
It’s a statement. It means Singapore is unpleasant.
Disneyland with the death penalty.
So Disneyland.
William Gibson wrote that Wired article years ago in his brief visit to Singapore.
thats just regular disneyland isnt it?
Don’t fuck with the mouse.
I guess that explains why he and Minnie never had kids.
Asia pretty much will execute people for importing drugs
“Asia” is a HUGE place, with all kinds of different people, countries and cultures.
60% of the world’s population lives in Asia.
I am currently smoking a joint in Asia. I bought it legally, in the shop down the street.
So…yeah…no death penalty for me.
Yet China manufactures a large percentage of the fentanyl sold on the US black market.
I can’t help wondering if this is Opium Wars payback against the anglophones.
You’d think they’d be targeting the UK then, no?
No matter how you spin it thats barbaric
Singapore is such a fucked up place, yet righties love to act like it’s some utopia.
And yet, it’s very socialist.
Dunno shit about Singapore but even if this is true, the economic style of the country does not dictate its capital punishment statutes
Maybe it’s modeled after Star Trek: Next Generation episode “Justice”
An otherwise nice planet/society with some really extreme punishments.
and it promotes harmony between different cultures in a way I’ve never seen - you can’t talk shit about anyone based on religion, for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Singapore
“The Sedition Act also prohibits seditious acts and speech which “promote feelings of ill-will and hostility between different races or classes of the population of Singapore,” and the Maintenance of Religious Harmony Act (MRHA) empowers the Minister for Home Affairs to take a pre-emptive approach by issuing restraining orders against a religious leader that has committed or is attempting to commit certain acts threatening religious harmony.”
it’s a microcosm of different cultures crushed together with little room for debate, should things go partisan conflict tragedies would rapidly ensue; but the restrictions on freedom of speech seem fraught with potential pitfalls…
I look at Singapore like Taiwan - they seem to genuinely try to do the best for a broader range than most, and each face unique ethnic and geographic complexities that they’ve overcome through enginuity and clever, hard working populaces.
But yeah, murdering people for pot… fuck man…
Singapore’s main party (PAP) doesn’t fit cleanly in the western right-left paradigm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Action_Party
Center-right, Democratic socialist, anti-communist, “Communitarianism”
They are not democratic socialist. They even
got kicked outresigned from Socialist International.The PAP was officially committed to democratic socialism from its inception in 1954 until its resignation from the Socialist International in 1976.
In 1976, the PAP formally resigned from the Socialist International (SI) after the Dutch Labour Party had initially proposed to expel the PAP for the Singapore government’s internment of political prisoners without trial, and accused it of human rights violations.[116][117]
I think they were referring to Chia Thye Poh and various other crackdowns of “commie scum” boogiemen. Its worth noting Singapore only became a country in the 60s.
As a result, and without ever facing indictment or criminal trial, he became one of the longest-serving political prisoners in the world. Restrictions on his civil rights remained in force for more than 32 years following his arrest, and the duration of his detention was often compared to that of Nelson Mandela, who spent over 27 years in prison following his conviction for treason, sabotage and other political crimes.[1]
(NCMPs kinda sorta address the issue of a single party system. Feels more like a bandaid at best and controlled opposition at worst)
No organization in any place fits cleanly in the “western” right-left paradigm. Not even in the US that’s the place people call “western”.
Two pounds of weed btw. A man’s life because he wanted to get high with friends at a party or something. It’s illegal to import so it’s not unlikely that he wanted to get a bunch and use it over the course of a year. Fucking insane. Also fuck this articles’s loaded language and framing.
“Oh that? That’s my personal consumption kilo. Reason for visit? Business.”
Also very likely he was going to sell it.
I’m for legalising weed, but trying to import it to a country that is notorious for executing people for even small amounts is fucking moronic.
144 people for about a week, per the article.
That’s like 1500 dollars of weed. Hardly worth attempting to smuggle it unless it’s for personal use for a good long while.
Are you sure it’s that cheap in Singapore if it’s illegal there? A kilo is about 20 grand here in Estonia, has been for ages. When buying by the gram anyway, I don’t know anyone who buys it by the kilo. Assume it would be a bit cheaper them. And we don’t execute smugglers, it’s just illegal.
I’d assume if they kill smugglers it’ll be way more expensive in Singapore
Then why wouldn’t he import 499g to not risk his life
Someone calibrates the scale 0.2% off and he’s still dead.
Imagine getting executed over air pressure or humidity
Here I am in Canada, Just finished a perfectly legal grow for my own personal use and got 28 oz from it
Singapore - “we straight up kill drug smugglers to death and have done so for 50 years”. Drug smuggler - “I’m sure they’re exaggerating”
Imagine killing a human being for possession of a harmless plant. It’s wildly unjust.
a plant so harmless that someone felt compelled to smuggle it into a country thats known to be extremely hostile to it, ignoring hundreds of warnings, bypassing several opportunities to get rid of it, and ultimately being caught with it and facing the very predictable, very openly warned and expressed repercussions?
A plant that drives someone to do that doesnt sound so harmless to me.
Well that’s only natural because you’re just a random idiot.
People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn’t make them harmful.
So far the Singaporean government has killed a lot more people than cannabis ever did, and for what?
People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn’t make them harmful.
What if I told you a chocolate bar killed my family?
Well I would be lying but WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Well I would be lying but WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Sounds like something that should be said to the stupid fuckers commiting suicide by government by doing this stupid shit.
wOn’T sOmEoNe ThInK oF tHe ChIlDrEn
(You want to legalize Pedophila)
Where the literal fuck did you get that idea!?
A plant that drives someone to do that doesnt sound so harmless to me.
Audrey II
Harmless… Until you kill some pedestrian because you DUI.
You could argue that it is a lack of education about the effect of such substance, but on the other hand, I’ve met enough potheads to know that they know about it, and just have such hubris that they believe those averse effect only affect others. They are “perfectly awake, maaaan” 😅.
Still, death penalty is far too much for such crime.
ao why isn’t insomnia punishable by death or otherwise? That would potentially lead someone to crash a car too.
Do you chose to take insomnia? I’d doubt that.
But to be clear : I am against death penalty. It robs any chance for someone to change for the better, and even the worst criminal can change and try to repair, even partially, the damages he did. In the current case the death penalty is way overblown. But not everyone would be of that opinion, unfortunately.
I can absolutely choose not to go to bed, yes.
Not going to bed and insomnia are two different things. Insomnia is a condition where you try to sleep, and can’t. Not going to bed, well, is a choice.
In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.
In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.
But that’s not what you said - you were saying that because people have the potential to cause an accident when smoking weed they should be executed.
If is was the case, I understand better the downvotes. That wasn’t my intention de frame it like that, I’m against death penalty.
What I intended to say is that people who takes substances that impair their judgement, and go drive afterward are a danger to everyone around them. They should be sanctioned, just not by death penalty, which, again, make no sense whatsoever in any situation.
Cannabis isn’t a harmless plant, unless it is a variety without THC (study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9940647/). And I doubt a smuggler would import Cannabis without THC. Smuggled cannabis are almost always THC heavy plants, and considering how much he seem to have with him, he either intended to fly to the moon and back, or to sell it around.
Now, THC heavy cannabis is a problem because, like alcohol, it impair the jugement about how ready to drive one is, and I’ve seen many of my friends get into accidents because they thought they where somehow not affected by THC. My words were harsh, no doubt, but I never called for any of them to get death penalties.
Edit: drug resistance exists, of course, but isn’t frequent. I happen to have a mild resistance to opioid based painkillers (found out after a surgery, worst pain I have been for a long time 😅)
People choose to “take insomnia” every second of every minute of every hour of every day, in thousands of ways.
Driving while knowingly impaired is an offence in the UK.
again, the comment I was replying to said weed should be illegal just incase you dui and I was saying “why isn’t being tired in case you drive illegal then?”
Everywhere that has legalized weed had this same bullshit scaremongering about how cars are going to be running over schoolchildren every 5 seconds because everyone would just be driving around high all the time.
That hasn’t happened at all, so why do you still make the bullshit claim?
Weed + cars doesn’t seem to be a big problem in a state where legal weed is everywhere unlike alcohol.
A great deal of alcohol is consumed out late at night in places one is likely to drive to and from. Almost all accidents happen to people who are plastered not least of which because drunk people get increasingly confident and simultaneously incapable of judging their ability.
Worse drunk people even quite drunk people can reasonably pilot a car which is why most DUIs are given only after hundreds miles of drunk drinking.
People’s false confidence is rewarded right up until they go to jail or kill someone.
Weed rarely produces the degree of impairment and when it does you aren’t going anywhere. Also since there are no legal venues to smoke it you are most commonly at home
In places where cannabis has been legalized, a common side-effect is a decline in traffic fatalities. Weed smokers are more likely to be couch-locked when they’ve had too much, rather than going out driving like drunks do.
have such hubris that they believe those averse effect only affect others
TBF there is a lot of variability in how cannabis affects different people. I’ve got a friend who had to quit because it made him extremely paranoid, to the point that he’d hallucinate. That isn’t universal by a long shot. I haven’t experienced paranoia or hallucinations, the biggest side effect I’ve experienced is sleepiness. Meanwhile my friend found it harder to sleep while high because his brain kept playing tricks on him. Very different brains, very different results.
Though I don’t doubt that plenty of people misjudge their abilities while high, just as they misjudge their abilities when drunk. But it’s important to note that it isn’t necessarily hubris that makes a person say, “Weed doesn’t do that to me.” Some of us genuinely experience different effects. You can’t truly know what’s going on in someone’s head unless you’re the one living in it.
True.
That’s just my own experience with my own potheads friends. Some of them who got into accidents because they thought they where better than other, and misjudged how much cannabis affected them.
Not everyone is like them, sure. But to this day I never met someone who act rational when under the influence of drugs. Maybe I didn’t met enough drugs user, who knows.
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I agree with you on that. Weed shouldn’t be illegal, no more that alcohol.
But saying that it has nothing to do with cannabis is a bit like saying alcohol as nothing to do either. The averse effects on attention is a direct consequence of those substances consumptions.
It the choice of the user to consume it or not, but as it also impair said persons sens of danger, the choice to go driving despite said substances consumption can partly be attributed to the substance itself.
is a bit like saying alcohol as nothing to do either
Yep. Alcohol is legal. Driving while impaired by it is not.
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As a cyclist, I’d agree, but there are many place where public transportation and bikes can’t go, especially in the countryside. So cars make sense. Cannabis too, as it has a lot of medical uses. But cannabis in car are where it becomes a problem.
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Thank god you don’t 😂
(Just kidding, you do anything you want as soon as you don’t DUI. I’ve seen enough death from that, don’t want anyone else to loose a loved one to one of those assholes)
there are many place where public transportation and bikes can’t go, especially in the countryside
Are we still talking about Singapore?
In that case no. If I remember it well, Singapore is quite small, I suppose bike should be enough for most uses except if you have to move big things, or a lot of groceries, in which case cars makes sense.
In my case I have a cargo bike, and live near a mid-sized city, so I can just go do my groceries cycling. But someone who is further in the countryside wouldn’t be able to. Partly because of the distance, no one want to do a two hours trip (or more) to buy groceries, but also because having cars zooming past you at 70km/h and more is kinda stressful.
Case is, cars have uses, cannabis too, but both shouldn’t be used at the same time.
Cars should be outlawed, not weed.
Sober drivers kill more people every year than weed alone. If we had to choose between staying home and using weed to get high, or driving literally anywhere, the safest option is to stay home and get stoned.
Cars should be outlawed
Driving and car ownership in Singapore is cartoonishly expensive and heavily regulated.
It probably will be outlawed in a decade or so.
It’s also now all tracked. Every vehicles are now required to install a tracker that is used for charging for toll roads and automatically fine you for speeding at any time.
It’s a question about respecting a society’s conventions. When you enter a country, you choose to abide with the laws in place, even if you disagree with them. Singapore makes it very clear what happens to those who smuggle drugs.
Never respect a murderous society, it’s stupid.
While one should avoid getting executed, it’s also fucked up that country does it
While one should avoid getting executed,
Wise words to live by.
Fine people for conventions, sure. You don’t see any mena country straight up executing women for not wearing a hijab, despite their claims that it erodes ‘morality’.
Their country, their law. The best way to force them to change is to not give them your business.
