Here I am in Canada, Just finished a perfectly legal grow for my own personal use and got 28 oz from it
Singapore is notorious for having extreme penalties for relatively minor crimes
“Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?!”
Sound of firing squad loading rifles
“This is democracy manifest!”
firing squad fires
FYI, The Straits Times is basically a step down from a state mouthpiece. If you don’t believe me, just read the article:
The cannabis seized from Omar is sufficient to feed the addiction of about 144 abusers for a week.
Here’s a Human Rights Watch article from five days ago not flagrantly trying to justify the state-sanctioned murder of a man convicted of an entirely harmless crime. Fuck TST for this.
I’ll bet AI did that calculation. Either that or a really stoned person.
Yeah, thats about 6g per “addict”, this will not be enough for 2 days if they are heavy smokers…
In other words, a kg is like nothing. And getting killed for it is the real crime.
Yeah, I saw that and was like, holy fuck, that’s fucked up. What a fucked up country.
144 abusers for a week
By my calculations, that’s about 18 ounces (144/8, assuming an eighth per person per week).
That’s not that much, as far as international smuggling goes.
Still, it’s a bullshit reason to execute someone over.
If you wanna smoke weed, Singapore isn’t the place for you…
You think it is harmless, Singapore does not.
You think I think I care what Singapore thinks.
I think Tharman Shanmugaratnam should be tied, blindfolded, and walked over a plank covered in faced-up used heroin needles into the Port of Singapore.
I don’t assume either way. Are you American?
Is picture related or not? If so, looks like he’s got a few keys of coke or meth, a key of heroin or MDMA (tan powder bag) and a bunch of bags of pills that I assume are meth because they are into taking that shit orally in Asia.
I am reading “Singaporean man executed for importing cannibals” and I am thinking “why would anyone import cannibals???”
No matter how you spin it thats barbaric
Two pounds of weed btw. A man’s life because he wanted to get high with friends at a party or something. It’s illegal to import so it’s not unlikely that he wanted to get a bunch and use it over the course of a year. Fucking insane. Also fuck this articles’s loaded language and framing.
Also very likely he was going to sell it.
I’m for legalising weed, but trying to import it to a country that is notorious for executing people for even small amounts is fucking moronic.
144 people for about a week, per the article.
That’s like 1500 dollars of weed. Hardly worth attempting to smuggle it unless it’s for personal use for a good long while.
Are you sure it’s that cheap in Singapore if it’s illegal there? A kilo is about 20 grand here in Estonia, has been for ages. When buying by the gram anyway, I don’t know anyone who buys it by the kilo. Assume it would be a bit cheaper them. And we don’t execute smugglers, it’s just illegal.
I’d assume if they kill smugglers it’ll be way more expensive in Singapore
Then why wouldn’t he import 499g to not risk his life
Someone calibrates the scale 0.2% off and he’s still dead.
Imagine getting executed over air pressure or humidity
“Oh that? That’s my personal consumption kilo. Reason for visit? Business.”
Challenging to criticize Singapore if you’re from somewhere with monthly massacres of school children.
Not at all. Murder is murder regardless of the country.
How could you possibly think that is challenging? Of course it should be criticized.
the monthly massacres aren’t government policy. executing a cannabis trafficker is.
There is an active policy of not preventing cold massacres. Hope that clarifies the point.
There is no official “active policy” at the national level that I’m aware of. -As for unofficial policy, that varies from one municipality to the next, and from one state to the next. Is the Singaporean policy of executing cannabis traffickers not an official national policy carried out uniformly across the country?
… and Singapore has an active policy of condoning and committing murder. That’s bad.
I pray that clears things up for you.
Not very relevant distinction for the murdered children
not really relevant to the topic at hand.
That makes a ton of difference to the dead schoolkids.
the article doesn’t say anything about the schoolkids POV on the dead traffickers or maybe you should just stay on topic
aren’t government policy
That could be debated. They’re certainly at least the standard they walk past and accept.
if you’re putting officially written and sanctioned government executions in writing up against the unofficial unsanctioned killings not in writing, I’d be more scared of what the government has written down in policy as there is no possible alternative.
Good news! Lemme just go to the parents and tell them!
I don’t see what schoolkids parents has to do with a government sanctioned execution of a cannabis trafficker.
Not everyone on the internet lives in the US
Two things can both be bad.
Impossible
what a shithole
Is that a mirror or a microphone?
It’s a statement. It means Singapore is unpleasant.
The cannabis seized from Omar is sufficient to feed the addiction of about 144 abusers for a week.
What the hell is up with this bizarre line in the article? “Addiction”? “Abusers”? Is the the article writer fucking serious with this Reefer Madness shit? What a god damn clown.
Those hopeless addicts are consuming a bit over 3 grams of weed per week. Definite threat to society there.
And of course the guy being executed is not from the Chinese elite, he’s a Singaporean Malay.
No, 1009.1g divided by 144 potheads is 7g. So the article assumes they are smoking a gram a day each. There should be protests about this, and I think the author of this article should be fired, it’s so insensitive.
As someone who has smoked weed for nearly 10 years now, it is addictive and can be abused.
“addiction” used to mean physical withdrawals… now it means weed, television, working out, phones, sex, and more.
Weed withdrawal is milder than caffeine withdrawal for most people.
With 10 being death from withdrawal (like from alcohol), on a scale of 1 to 10 cannabis is a 1.
addiction" used to mean physical withdrawals
No it didn’t. That’s dependency. They’re two medically distinct things. Addiction is a brain disorder, dependency isn’t.
If stupid people didn’t exist and the world wasn’t as unjust as it is, I wouldn’t get any withdrawal from quitting weed. As it is, I get quite irate, but I think that’s just my default setting nowadays, not a withdrawal symptom.
Yeah, it did, and does.
I’m speaking of common vernacular, not in medical terms. The common vernacular has changed over the years (as it always does).
Things without (and with) dependency are called addictions often, even “habits”. I see it constantly in social media. The term “addiction” used to be much more limited.
If you don’t believe me, feel free to consult a dictionary.
Medical terms are a different matter. Like the word “retarded”, a word can mean one thing medically, and quite another in common parlance.
Your correction has been corrected.
This is what we all told eachother in school yeah, its not that simple though. There are habitual users with mental issues stemming from its use.
Yeah, when I had a heroin addiction it kind of used to piss me off when people would talk about addictions to porn and stuff. I’d think they had no idea what addiction really meant. Try going cold turkey from smack. But TBF even though maybe the word addiction doesn’t apply in the same way, it’s certainly true that any compulsive behaviour that’s detrimental to your life is a problem that needs help.
Nice to see you left it behind, congrats.
Anytime someone compares those two, you can just point out that people aren’t dependent on porn or gaming. That their bodies won’t shock themselves to death if they go cold turkey.
The keyword being dependency. People use those interchangeably, but they’re two medically distinct things and you usually have both to a drug, but not necessarily. You can be addicted and not dependent or dependent without addiction. The first one would be someone who still wants to use and dreams about it despite having had no substance for years, and the second one is for instance a long term pain patient who didn’t even know what medication they were on but start shivering and getting nauseous as they forget to take their meds, despite them not having any psychological need to take them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence
It’s somewhat okay to use them interchangeably but it would be super rude to talk about how addicted to one’s phone one is while someone is talking about having gone through actual substance use disorder, addiction, dependency and all.
Good job on pulling through man!
Regardless… that’s enough to be considered trafficking pretty much everywhere… and he did it in Singapore?! Nice Darwin Award.
A single kilo?
That’s literally barely the limit of a “severe” drug crime in Finland, and if you had exactly 1kg you wouldn’t get sentenced for a severe/serious/aggravated (“felony” as the Americans would say) drug crime.
Having to go to prison for an amount like this wouldn’t even happen in Finland. Our justice system sucks in lots of places, yeah, and the attitudes towards drugs are verifiably archaic, especially on a social level, but you wouldn’t have to actually go to prison unless you managed to get caught with a kilo at least once a year for a few years in a row, and the chances are that they still wouldn’t put you in as a non-violent offender.
Drugs are everywhere. The severity of the laws only affects the price and quality, not availability. (Case in point, there’s a booming drug industry inside prisons, everywhere.)
That’s literally barely the limit of a “severe” drug crime in Finland,
The article’s about Singapore.
Laws vary widely by country and a kilo is not a small amount (unless you’re a murican troll). Most countries are in the grams.The article’s about Singapore.
Yes, I know. I can read the title just as I can read your comment saying “pretty much anywhere” and afterwards incredulously pointing out Singapore. Meaning your “anywhere” means actually anywhere, and not just “anywhere in Singapore.” Last I checked “anywhere” did indeed contain Finland as well.
nd a kilo is not a small amount (unless you’re a murican troll)
No I’m a person who’s been growing weed for the past 20 years. I once had three large tents, hundreds of grams and more than two dozen plants taken from me. They didn’t even try accusing me of a “felony”, but the basic non-aggravated version of the crime. The production capability I had was about 400-500g/m2 and I had 2.49m2 of growing room plus my balcony. Kilo is a medium amount. It’s not a small amount, no, but it’s by no means a huge amount. It’s one good harvest, grown in a couple of tents (or one really large one but I’ve never liked >1.2m tents) in an apartment building.
Are you aware of the distinction of de jure and de facto?
Because de jure we have quite draconian drug laws, but de facto you never go to prison for drugs unless you’re dealing “harder” stuff and there’s also violence/properly organised crime (which we don’t have a lot of in the first place.)
For instance de jure I have all sorts of rights as a person. But de facto, I was literally tortured by the cops in a jail when they took my plants away. And they didn’t even have a reason to put me in jail in the first place. None of my friends who’ve been caught growing have been taken to jail and the other time I got caught I didn’t either.
Yet the cops kept me in an isolation cell with the lights constantly on while denying me my prescription medication while I went psychotic over three days and drew on the walls with my blood. And that mattress and blanket weren’t there, they took them away and only put them back for the photo.
My point being ALL COPS ARE BASTARDS, even if some laws in other places are harsher than some.
But you said a kilo is “traffficking” almost anywhere. That’s just not true. Especially in a lot of places you actually have to prove the trafficking or intent to traffic. For instance the cops asked me about my small plastic baggies, told them they’re for freezing food. He laughed, obviously. They missed my scale, despite the fact it was literally right on the table next to my keyboard. But… if you look at the colour scheme it’s not entirely unreasonable they missed it.
(and yes I need to clean ik)But to add to that, they also missed a massive glass jar sitting on my kitchen table with almost a hecto of bud in it. Which was a nice surprise once I got home.
I ended up influencing Finnish law since the cops prevented me from filming them and I got that part on video (them taking my phone away saying “youre not allowed to film the police when they work”) and it went all the way to the supremely court.
Anyways, I ramble, I’m aware. I’m not sorry about it though it’s all related I just know most people can’t handle lots of language and prefer shorter comments.
Riiiiight… Claude was it? You pro’lly should get high on your own supply then. Bye.
It’s an Asian outlet. They never really had much sympathy for them.
well I’m sure he won’t ever do that again!
surely he learned his lesson.
Imagine killing a human being for possession of a harmless plant. It’s wildly unjust.
Harmless… Until you kill some pedestrian because you DUI.
You could argue that it is a lack of education about the effect of such substance, but on the other hand, I’ve met enough potheads to know that they know about it, and just have such hubris that they believe those averse effect only affect others. They are “perfectly awake, maaaan” 😅.
Still, death penalty is far too much for such crime.
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Cars should be outlawed, not weed.
Sober drivers kill more people every year than weed alone. If we had to choose between staying home and using weed to get high, or driving literally anywhere, the safest option is to stay home and get stoned.
As a cyclist, I’d agree, but there are many place where public transportation and bikes can’t go, especially in the countryside. So cars make sense. Cannabis too, as it has a lot of medical uses. But cannabis in car are where it becomes a problem.
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Thank god you don’t 😂
(Just kidding, you do anything you want as soon as you don’t DUI. I’ve seen enough death from that, don’t want anyone else to loose a loved one to one of those assholes)
there are many place where public transportation and bikes can’t go, especially in the countryside
Are we still talking about Singapore?
In that case no. If I remember it well, Singapore is quite small, I suppose bike should be enough for most uses except if you have to move big things, or a lot of groceries, in which case cars makes sense.
In my case I have a cargo bike, and live near a mid-sized city, so I can just go do my groceries cycling. But someone who is further in the countryside wouldn’t be able to. Partly because of the distance, no one want to do a two hours trip (or more) to buy groceries, but also because having cars zooming past you at 70km/h and more is kinda stressful.
Case is, cars have uses, cannabis too, but both shouldn’t be used at the same time.
Cars should be outlawed
Driving and car ownership in Singapore is cartoonishly expensive and heavily regulated.
It probably will be outlawed in a decade or so.
It’s also now all tracked. Every vehicles are now required to install a tracker that is used for charging for toll roads and automatically fine you for speeding at any time.
Everywhere that has legalized weed had this same bullshit scaremongering about how cars are going to be running over schoolchildren every 5 seconds because everyone would just be driving around high all the time.
That hasn’t happened at all, so why do you still make the bullshit claim?
have such hubris that they believe those averse effect only affect others
TBF there is a lot of variability in how cannabis affects different people. I’ve got a friend who had to quit because it made him extremely paranoid, to the point that he’d hallucinate. That isn’t universal by a long shot. I haven’t experienced paranoia or hallucinations, the biggest side effect I’ve experienced is sleepiness. Meanwhile my friend found it harder to sleep while high because his brain kept playing tricks on him. Very different brains, very different results.
Though I don’t doubt that plenty of people misjudge their abilities while high, just as they misjudge their abilities when drunk. But it’s important to note that it isn’t necessarily hubris that makes a person say, “Weed doesn’t do that to me.” Some of us genuinely experience different effects. You can’t truly know what’s going on in someone’s head unless you’re the one living in it.
True.
That’s just my own experience with my own potheads friends. Some of them who got into accidents because they thought they where better than other, and misjudged how much cannabis affected them.
Not everyone is like them, sure. But to this day I never met someone who act rational when under the influence of drugs. Maybe I didn’t met enough drugs user, who knows.
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I agree with you on that. Weed shouldn’t be illegal, no more that alcohol.
But saying that it has nothing to do with cannabis is a bit like saying alcohol as nothing to do either. The averse effects on attention is a direct consequence of those substances consumptions.
It the choice of the user to consume it or not, but as it also impair said persons sens of danger, the choice to go driving despite said substances consumption can partly be attributed to the substance itself.
is a bit like saying alcohol as nothing to do either
Yep. Alcohol is legal. Driving while impaired by it is not.
Weed + cars doesn’t seem to be a big problem in a state where legal weed is everywhere unlike alcohol.
A great deal of alcohol is consumed out late at night in places one is likely to drive to and from. Almost all accidents happen to people who are plastered not least of which because drunk people get increasingly confident and simultaneously incapable of judging their ability.
Worse drunk people even quite drunk people can reasonably pilot a car which is why most DUIs are given only after hundreds miles of drunk drinking.
People’s false confidence is rewarded right up until they go to jail or kill someone.
Weed rarely produces the degree of impairment and when it does you aren’t going anywhere. Also since there are no legal venues to smoke it you are most commonly at home
In places where cannabis has been legalized, a common side-effect is a decline in traffic fatalities. Weed smokers are more likely to be couch-locked when they’ve had too much, rather than going out driving like drunks do.
ao why isn’t insomnia punishable by death or otherwise? That would potentially lead someone to crash a car too.
Do you chose to take insomnia? I’d doubt that.
But to be clear : I am against death penalty. It robs any chance for someone to change for the better, and even the worst criminal can change and try to repair, even partially, the damages he did. In the current case the death penalty is way overblown. But not everyone would be of that opinion, unfortunately.
People choose to “take insomnia” every second of every minute of every hour of every day, in thousands of ways.
I can absolutely choose not to go to bed, yes.
Not going to bed and insomnia are two different things. Insomnia is a condition where you try to sleep, and can’t. Not going to bed, well, is a choice.
In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.
In both cases, you can be held responsible if you end up falling asleep on the wheel while sleep deprived, and cause an accident.
But that’s not what you said - you were saying that because people have the potential to cause an accident when smoking weed they should be executed.
If is was the case, I understand better the downvotes. That wasn’t my intention de frame it like that, I’m against death penalty.
What I intended to say is that people who takes substances that impair their judgement, and go drive afterward are a danger to everyone around them. They should be sanctioned, just not by death penalty, which, again, make no sense whatsoever in any situation.
Cannabis isn’t a harmless plant, unless it is a variety without THC (study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9940647/). And I doubt a smuggler would import Cannabis without THC. Smuggled cannabis are almost always THC heavy plants, and considering how much he seem to have with him, he either intended to fly to the moon and back, or to sell it around.
Now, THC heavy cannabis is a problem because, like alcohol, it impair the jugement about how ready to drive one is, and I’ve seen many of my friends get into accidents because they thought they where somehow not affected by THC. My words were harsh, no doubt, but I never called for any of them to get death penalties.
Edit: drug resistance exists, of course, but isn’t frequent. I happen to have a mild resistance to opioid based painkillers (found out after a surgery, worst pain I have been for a long time 😅)
Driving while knowingly impaired is an offence in the UK.
again, the comment I was replying to said weed should be illegal just incase you dui and I was saying “why isn’t being tired in case you drive illegal then?”
It’s a question about respecting a society’s conventions. When you enter a country, you choose to abide with the laws in place, even if you disagree with them. Singapore makes it very clear what happens to those who smuggle drugs.
Never respect a murderous society, it’s stupid.
While one should avoid getting executed, it’s also fucked up that country does it
While one should avoid getting executed,
Wise words to live by.
Fine people for conventions, sure. You don’t see any mena country straight up executing women for not wearing a hijab, despite their claims that it erodes ‘morality’.
Their country, their law. The best way to force them to change is to not give them your business.
a plant so harmless that someone felt compelled to smuggle it into a country thats known to be extremely hostile to it, ignoring hundreds of warnings, bypassing several opportunities to get rid of it, and ultimately being caught with it and facing the very predictable, very openly warned and expressed repercussions?
A plant that drives someone to do that doesnt sound so harmless to me.
A plant that drives someone to do that doesnt sound so harmless to me.
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Well that’s only natural because you’re just a random idiot.
People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn’t make them harmful.
So far the Singaporean government has killed a lot more people than cannabis ever did, and for what?
People would smuggle chocolate bars if they were made illegal, that doesn’t make them harmful.
What if I told you a chocolate bar killed my family?
Well I would be lying but WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
wOn’T sOmEoNe ThInK oF tHe ChIlDrEn
(You want to legalize Pedophila)
Where the literal fuck did you get that idea!?
Well I would be lying but WON’T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Sounds like something that should be said to the stupid fuckers commiting suicide by government by doing this stupid shit.
The amount of white-knights with colonial mindsets in this comment section is insane. Singapore is an Asian country, you’ll need an objective moral foundation in order to condemn them for this
I have an objective moral foundation and I condemn them for this
Good.
There’s no such thing as objective morality. At some fundamental level you’re just deciding who benefits from your moral compass and who doesn’t.
If objective morality isn’t real, the only reason you’ll have to condemn this is that it goes against your culture. Which is cultural supremacy to some degree
Objective morality isn’t real. If it were, you’d be able to prove it.
And it’s difficult to argue, coming from a deeply red area of the US that I’m coming from a culture that vilifies the death penalty.
The closest you’ll ever get to an objective moral truth is that you’re free to believe any fucking thing you want, but your rights stop at you. Imposing your beliefs on another living being is supremacy.
If God is real, then Objective Morality is real. If white society wishes to secularise, they have to realise that they no longer have a justification to tell other cultures what to do.
Ok.
God isn’t real. If a being of infinite power does exist, it is apathetic, ignorant, or cruel.
If the source of your objective morality is a fairy tale, you have no basis for claiming your morality is objective, let alone accurate.
How do you define cruelty without God being real? How can you know for sure that God is apathetic or ignorant?
If there is no basis for objective morality at all, we have no grounds to condemn other cultures for actions that go against our culture. I would condemn cruelty happening abroad because I believe everyone is made in the image of God, and God’s commandment for all of Humanity was to love one and other. If God isn’t real, then why should I care what happens in other countries, if the only morality I have is based on my white, western culture?
If there is no God, humans are just lumps of cells anyway, not too far removed from plants and animals. So why would it be my business what is going on abroad?
How do you define cruelty without God being real?
Pretty simply, do you require help knowing the difference between what is cruel and what is not? You might need psychiatric help my guy
How can you know for sure that God is apathetic or ignorant?
Because of the suffering of innocents. Any all powerful creature that allows suffering on the scale we are familiar with either doesn’t know about it, and is thus ignorant, or doesn’t care, and is thus apathetic. Perhaps this creature both knows and cares, in which case it is either powerless to stop it, and therefore not all powerful, or it is a cruel being, and not one by which to set your moral compass.
If there is no basis for objective morality at all,
There isn’t. Morality is a supposition.
we have no grounds to condemn other cultures for actions that go against our culture.
This relies on a number of assumptions which are mostly wrong. Am I condemning an entire culture or the actions of a few people? Do the people of that culture think this is a good idea? Are there members of that group that condemn this? Are those members represented? Is the practice being condemned harmful?
I would condemn cruelty happening abroad because I believe everyone is made in the image of God, and God’s commandment for all of Humanity was to love one and other. If God isn’t real, then why should I care what happens in other countries, if the only morality I have is based on my white, western culture?
So you require someone else to tell you what is right and what is not? Are you incapable of independent thought? Are you devoid of compassion and empathy?
An empathetic person would abhor the suffering of others without divine intervention.
Should God appear to you and demand you sacrifice your eldest son, would you begin sharpening your knife?
If there is no God, humans are just lumps of cells anyway, not too far removed from plants and animals.
We are not removed greatly from animals no. We are animals. We’re pretty far removed from plants though.
So why would it be my business what is going on abroad
Empathy my guy. I was kind of kidding before but now I’m actually concerned you lack basic emotional skills that are natural and innate to most people. That’s definitionally psychopathy, you might want to look in to that.
Objective moral foundation: capital punishment is bad.
The objective moral foundation would also says everyone should deserve to live, yet all the capitalist countries are punishing those who can’t work.
Let’s not cast stones from a glass house
You’ll need to justify it on something though
I actually don’t. It is fundamental enough that I can take it as an axiom. If you want to claim its negation, the burden of the argument is on you, so go ahead and make the case against it.
Fundamental on what?
I take it to be self evident. See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom
“importing” … did a Hemp plant write this?
And yet…Singapore has a very low crime rate, is stable, safe and is incredibly wealthy.
Stability and wealth seem poor metrics to use as a argument for this, as they can be affected by so many other aspects of governance. Also I’m not convinced of the effect of capital punishment on crime rate, especially when it comes to illicit substances, as it can cause people to be just be extra cautious.
Although if anyone has any data to the contrary I would love to see it.
Singapore is small and the government is heavy handed in anything drug related. A “massive” anti drug sweep netted less cannabis than the smuggler in this post had.
https://www.mha.gov.sg/media-room/publications/compilation-of-drug-related-studies-and-surveys/
Based on the survey findings, it is estimated that about 0.7% of Singapore residents had consumed an illicit drug at least once in the last 12 months.
