Both Corry and Schachner stated that C.K. privately apologized for his past behavior several years later.[142][144]
In response to The New York Times reporting, C.K. released a statement apologizing and admitting guilt, writing, “These stories are true” and saying that while he initially thought “it was okay because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first”, he went on to express remorse, stating, “the power I had over these women is that they admired me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.”
Yeah out of all of the people, Louis has done his best to make amends. He did wrong, but we shouldn’t shame someone for apologizing and doing his best to make it right.
I loved his comedy before, and was heartbroken when I learned. I payer close attention to it. I believe what he said, he never even considered or thought about coersion, that the women weren’t comfortable. He learned he was wrong and not knowing wasn’t an excuse. Out of everyone, we should hope more men learn from Louis. He took the hard but honorable path. Is he fully redeemed? Only he can know, but he’s working on it.
I disagree. Firstly, if you want a masterclass on repentance, see Dan Harmon’s apology. Made actual tangible steps to better himself, and devoted an entire podcast episode to apologizing, and spent about 0 seconds of that podcast feeling sorry for himself or lamenting that he got caught, or complaining about the financial effect it had on him. Plus, he doesn’t deny the story of the woman he harrassed.
None of this is true for Louis CK. He says “everything they say is true”, but then every chance he gets on his gigantic public platform, he repeats the blatant lie that he got consent. He didn’t. In none of the women he harrassed’s stories, he asks for consent. They deny that he asked for consent. All of them. And in his “apologies” he keeps repeating that he asked for consent. That’s not an apology, that’s just a lie.
His “apologies” are mostly made up of three parts. The first is a sneaky denial of the victim’s stories, the second he spends some time complaining about how this makes him feel, and how it affected him financially, and that he’s looking to get back on top of things and better his situation. And then the third is where he explains that there’s nothing he can do to make the world tangibly a better place (like, idk, staying the fuck away, donating to a charity for victims of sexual assault, trying to do anything to fix the careers he destroyed), and that all he can really do are these vague platitudes that help no one like (I wish I were making this up) “shaking one hand at a time”.
It’s hard for me to think of a worse realistic public apology. Maybe “I didn’t do it, but I’m sorry if you feel I hurt you” although that’s already pretty close to what Louis CK is doing.
Just going to add on, that in the YouTube series linked above that there is a direct comparison of how Loius and Dan Harmon both handled it and that you’ve summarized the differences quite well
Dan Harmon really is the gold standard on how to deal with that situation. I especially appreciate how his work after the fact is so heavily influenced by the changes he’s made to himself.
“without asking first” they said no, by the way. and he sexually harassed them anyway. he specifically crafts his words to make it sound like he got consent, when he very much didn’t
They didn’t said no, they didn’t say yes either. And he took the lack of negative as consent. He was wrong, and has since recognized as much and promised to be different. Dude is a creep but he is not nearly the worst. He has always agreed with the victim’s recollection of the events and haven’t tried to twist their words. He thought it was OK and he got consent, didn’t realize he was wrong until later. In the history of the Me Too movement, he had the best reaction one could hope from an aggressor.
whoops my bad, i think i misremembered that they said no. they were stunned into silence and then he did it anyway. and then claimed that he always asked first, in order to minimise his responsibility.
Source? From Wikipedia:
Yeah out of all of the people, Louis has done his best to make amends. He did wrong, but we shouldn’t shame someone for apologizing and doing his best to make it right.
I loved his comedy before, and was heartbroken when I learned. I payer close attention to it. I believe what he said, he never even considered or thought about coersion, that the women weren’t comfortable. He learned he was wrong and not knowing wasn’t an excuse. Out of everyone, we should hope more men learn from Louis. He took the hard but honorable path. Is he fully redeemed? Only he can know, but he’s working on it.
This guy did a very long series of video Essays about why Louis behavior post accusations isn’t so black and white.
https://youtu.be/93nMBtXVAfM
It’s very long though.
I’m sure it isn’t, nothing like this ever will be anything but shades of grey. Thanks, I’ll check them out
I think he makes some very good points but I also think it could have been about 1/3 as long if it was better edited.
I disagree. Firstly, if you want a masterclass on repentance, see Dan Harmon’s apology. Made actual tangible steps to better himself, and devoted an entire podcast episode to apologizing, and spent about 0 seconds of that podcast feeling sorry for himself or lamenting that he got caught, or complaining about the financial effect it had on him. Plus, he doesn’t deny the story of the woman he harrassed.
None of this is true for Louis CK. He says “everything they say is true”, but then every chance he gets on his gigantic public platform, he repeats the blatant lie that he got consent. He didn’t. In none of the women he harrassed’s stories, he asks for consent. They deny that he asked for consent. All of them. And in his “apologies” he keeps repeating that he asked for consent. That’s not an apology, that’s just a lie.
His “apologies” are mostly made up of three parts. The first is a sneaky denial of the victim’s stories, the second he spends some time complaining about how this makes him feel, and how it affected him financially, and that he’s looking to get back on top of things and better his situation. And then the third is where he explains that there’s nothing he can do to make the world tangibly a better place (like, idk, staying the fuck away, donating to a charity for victims of sexual assault, trying to do anything to fix the careers he destroyed), and that all he can really do are these vague platitudes that help no one like (I wish I were making this up) “shaking one hand at a time”.
It’s hard for me to think of a worse realistic public apology. Maybe “I didn’t do it, but I’m sorry if you feel I hurt you” although that’s already pretty close to what Louis CK is doing.
Just going to add on, that in the YouTube series linked above that there is a direct comparison of how Loius and Dan Harmon both handled it and that you’ve summarized the differences quite well
Dan Harmon really is the gold standard on how to deal with that situation. I especially appreciate how his work after the fact is so heavily influenced by the changes he’s made to himself.
“without asking first” they said no, by the way. and he sexually harassed them anyway. he specifically crafts his words to make it sound like he got consent, when he very much didn’t
I haven’t heard this story. You got a link?
They didn’t said no, they didn’t say yes either. And he took the lack of negative as consent. He was wrong, and has since recognized as much and promised to be different. Dude is a creep but he is not nearly the worst. He has always agreed with the victim’s recollection of the events and haven’t tried to twist their words. He thought it was OK and he got consent, didn’t realize he was wrong until later. In the history of the Me Too movement, he had the best reaction one could hope from an aggressor.
whoops my bad, i think i misremembered that they said no. they were stunned into silence and then he did it anyway. and then claimed that he always asked first, in order to minimise his responsibility.
In that case I think you should edit your comment to reflect that. Not least because this is apparently an “all claims, no sources” type of subject.