Ah, just threatening with some casual genocide. No biggie.
How’s he going to do that? Just more bullshit from the deranged imbecile. Just a clown clowning around.
The obvious fear is nukes. He has the authority to launch them, or to at least give the order to do so.
Scary stuff
If the stupid US laws don’t persecute this war criminal, international court should. There’s more than enough evidence.
Too bad the US doesn’t recognize the ICC, for obvious reasons
Worse, they proactively passed legislation authorizing the invasion of The Hague in case a US official was ever brought there for war crimes. Thank dubya and the 2002 congress.
Let them try
He should be unalived.
Oh fuck off with that. You can say killed.
Persecute, prosecute; toMAYto, toMAHto
You forgot one,
Persecute, prosecute, execute
I forgot about Dre.
Nothing comes out when you move your lips but a bunch of gibberish
As an American there is nothing more I’d love too see than this but it’s never going to happen. The best we can hope for is a extremely painful death for him
I’m sure Trump’s spiritual advisor, Kid Rock, will talk him out of this once he’s briefed into the classified plans.
“Vengeance is mine,” sayeth The Lord of American Christians.
This is a pretty straightforward declaration of genocidal intent. If the Americans bomb civilian infrastructure, there is a credible case for accusing them of Genocide in the Hague.
There is but then what?
Iran continues to hit back, making us presence in the middle east untenable. israel is destroyed.
If I ever found myself saying “a whole civilization will die tonight if I don’t get my way”, I think I’d just kill myself. What an utterly disgusting thing to threaten. He is truly devoid of any humanity at this point.
By that point you might need the ghost of christmas past to show a younger you your future
I’ll only negotiate with the ghost of christmas yet to come
Nah at that point the ghost of Christmas past would say fuck it and tell the ghost of things to come to just take his unredeemable soul from his mortal coil
Over on /conservative it’s Biden’s fault he has to annihilate a civilisation
Lol what pathetic assholes
He has a fucked up mind. The only thing he gets is getting his own way.
This is the art of the deal, threaten and bully until he gets what he wants
If he nukes Iran, expect Israel to face the repercussions
If he continues to harm China’s oil expect them to hand Iran free nuclear warheads and hypersonic missiles
I can’t see anyway out of this that doesn’t end up with a stronger Iran
Let’s not forget that the Iranian diaspora supported all of this, the fucking dipshits.
Some of them realized too late that there is no plan to “liberate” Iran after they bombed the girl’s school, but a lot of them are still raving gusano nazis.
There is nevertheless a lesson: never let a diasporoid talk to you about their lived experiences. When the famines hit because of the global fertilizer shortage, make sure you cannibalize an Iranian monarchist or a miami Cuban first
Diasporite? Diasporoid would mean diaspora-shaped.
Trump will nuke Iran, and the trolls on here will still insist Kamala would have done the same thing.
Geee shut up dude where did kamala come from
Well, Trump has to be someone’s fault, and if you don’t blame the leftists who complained about Kamala, then someone could end up blaming her, otlr the people who put her up, or kept Biden up, or even remember when people called Sanders the last off-ramp from the apocalypse. And we can’t have that, can we?
Trump isnt a fault, he is a true manifestation of whatever the US represents, whatever it has stood for and what does neo liberalism and capitalism leads to. Removing Trump wont solve anything, a decade down the line someone more deranged and unhinged will replace him.
Trump has been itching to use the nukes since minute one. I can easily see him dropping one on a city in Iran, and then threatening to drop another every day until they surrender and open the strait. While that is absolutely horrific, the irony is that Trump is too fucking stupid to see that the “whole civilization” that will die is the U.S… The world will shun the U.S., dump it’s bonds and destroy the dollar. There will be hyperinflation, bank runs, chaos, and a hard splinter of the U.S. into factions and likely a “hot” civil war. Trump will make clear that all of the “fearmongering” from radical Islamists about the U.S. and the western world was true, potentially igniting world war. None of this will take away from the tragedy in Iran, which just happened to be the convenient target Trump the bully thought he’d punch down on.
oh yeah America would be bankrupted overnight
No they won’t. We buy too much shit for countries to completely cut us off.
I think what you’re describing here is the best case scenario (if he would drop one). The worst case scenario (the one I’m most worried about) is that other (adversarial) nuclear powers react to the US launching one by launching their own, aimed at either the US, Israel or (worst of all) somewhere unrelated, like someplace in Europe or on Kiev.
That is very much a risk. When chaos rules, it becomes very difficult to anticipate all the potential consequences.
But Gaza tho
Trump is an idiot. The rest of his people vary from incompetent to simply evil.
I’d bet my life that the nuclear briefcase that Trump masturbates to every night is a fake. Someone in his circle has long since clipped the red wire to prevent him doing just that during a midnight Truth Social post.
This was / would have been the case during Trump I … since he scraped anyone with at least a bit of reason from his admin in favor of yes-man following his ideology… I’m disturbingly unsure if you’re right under for Trump II.
If he does, Israel will get so heavily nuked it will be a dead zone
Russia, China, Pakistan even India would be heavily impacted, all nuclear armed states
I can’t see this working out well for America’s greatest ally ever but won’t put boots on the ground
America desperately needs a military coup
If Israel gets nuked, it will do the Samson Doctrine, which is:
Nuke every nearby national capital, friend or foe.
Europe, Turkey, Egypt, fuck it.
That’s been their nuclear doctrine since they’d had nukes, which is roughly the 1970s.
BTW, they learned how to build nukes, in part, via stealing nuclear material from the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affair
The most insane thing about all of this is that Iran does not possess nuclear weapons.
But Israel does, and has for decades.
And they can be fragged when the upcoming war happens.
Possibly, but its more likely that he just commits more warcirmes and further undermines American hegemony. The point of the far left in advocating for Trump was accelerationist; it’s that he would speed up the collapse of the American Empire. No one expected that this would come without a heavy cost. Kamala would have just delayed the inevitable by a few more years.
I’m seriously curious who gave this Mad Magazine cover writer power?
I really should start taking my PTO.
Makes me glad I just passed my 6 month probationary period and can use the 6 months I banked while waiting.
He’s going to nuke them ,almost the same words were used moments before the hiroshima bombing
This is the first time I think someone’s gonna drop a nuke and that it can actually happen.
If the pedohitler really drops a nuke, it’s gonna be over for Iran but mostly for the US. Dropping a nuke is basically admitting they have lost not just the war but their own society.
If a nuke is dropped it’s over for the world. Mutually assured destruction guarantees this.
Who would fire back? Iran doesn’t have nukes.
I don’t know, maybe Russia, China and if there is mass global destabilization India, Pakistan, and North Korea could get trigger happy.
China has pretty clearly shown they are staying out of it. I also doubt Russia would fire at America over Iran. Although I’d wager they would nuke Ukraine given that the US just normalized it.
Iran can however launch everything they have at the gulf states and israel, destroying all of their desalination plants and oil production and basically wiping them off the map and turbofucking the global economy into something worse than the great depression. They’ve been holding back so far, but if they get nuked they may as well just pull the trigger.
Hadn’t considered that. Doubt Trump has either.
Now look up how much of the world’s fertilizer comes from the middle east.
Someone does not know what he is talking about. This is not the 60’s.
No, the rest of the world isn’t just going to instantly nuke the US. If Iran gets nuked it won’t be via an ICBM but more likely a traditional aircraft or possibly ship launched nuke. Until it goes off it won’t look too much different from any of the other weapons being dropped on Iran. What it would do though is instantly turn the US into even more of a pariah than it already is. You’d likely see pretty much instant sanctions across the board which would tank the US economy, and might finally manage to get Trump impeached and convicted. Might even be able to convince the spineless bastards in Washington to hand Trump over to the ICC in exchange for lifting some of the sanctions.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though? It would certainly accelerate efforts to move to a new financial regime but it would still take years to accomplish.
Maybe mass dumping of US treasuries could be a feasible immediate option.
How can they sanction us when global finance still overwhelmingly depends on the dollar though?
The world has been gradually de-dollarizing for over a decade now. USD held as global currency reserves has fallen from 70% to 40%. BRICS nations are implementing their own payment systems based on the renminbi, and the eurozone obviously can operate independently already.
A lot of global value is tied up in US investment systems, sure. But a nuke drop would make that value not very valuable anymore. It would suck and the world would be stuck in another great depression, but the rest of the world has plenty of functional financial systems to keep moving on.
The move to a new financial regime would take as long as it takes a market to crash.
One can dream.
Theres every reason to think the Russians would consider a nuclear trigger-happy US an existential threat to them and launch a pre emptive attack. After all, the US (through Ukraine) launched attacks on Russia’s strategic bombers and Putins nuclear bunker which would have been considered suicidal during the Cold War
If a nuclear weapon is used all bets are off.
Preemptive attacks don’t work when they will nuke you back. This is the principle behind Mutually Assured Destruction.
MAD assumes the other side is rational. Trump is a lunatic.
First you said Russia, not the US, would do a preemptive nuclear attack. So this isn’t about Trump, it’s about Putin.
Second, Russia wouldn’t do it because of MAD. That’s the whole concept of MAD.
You’re making no sense, so I think I’m gonna peace out.
I don’t think Iran has nukes, and every other country will probably be very careful about dropping a nuke in the US. Maybe some rogue country would drop one to israel but I’m not sure this would happen becaues of MAD.
Russia is allied with Iran.
That doesn’t mean they are under their nuclear umbrella. Russia will not sacrifice itself for Iran
I think Russia would sell any ally to Satan for a single piece of bubble gum, if it felt like blowing bubbles. But they wouldn’t let the crisis go to waste either, that’s for damn sure.
But while Putin is evil, he’s not Trump-levels of dumb, so he understand the risk of going nuclear against someone Trump-levels of dumb.
Yeah, but he’s old too. Might want to do it before he dies.
They would not risk an escalation over Iran that would hurt the Russian heartland.
Not immediately with Iran, but even if it would be a singular nuclear strike without any reaction, I’d cross maybe the only real red line that still exists in international relation; Russia might then use nukes in Ukraine, or China in Taiwan, even if only for the EMP or to sink a fleet of ships at once. It will cause a dam to break regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
I’m with you on Russia but I don’t think the PLA would consider nuking Taiwan. They ideologically consider everyone on the island to be Chinese and they also certainly don’t want to blow it to ashes just to have to rebuild it from scratch.
IMO the wind is blowing toward a political reunification where China takes it without a shot. The opposition party is already pushing that and the US is not a stable or reliable enough ally at this point for them credibly rely on if China actually invades.
Not on the island but if the US now starts using tactical nukes in Iran, the nuclear power China would seriously consider its own tactical nuclear use cases - after all what’s the value in being a nuclear power if it’s a forgone conclusion that you won’t use them. Doubly so should the US prove it’s willingness to use tactical nukes now, as China would then need to expect that nukes might be used against them too, should it come to a military exchange with the US over Taiwan. It’s mutually assured destruction, but instead of destroying cities with ICBMs you sink each other’s aircraft carriers with smaller nukes.
Regarding Taiwan itself, I think there would be valid use cases, especially for the massive EMPs given off by nukes detonated in the atmosphere. They can disable an army of drones and most civilian communication systems all at once, which seems like a very solid first strike move if you don’t want to destroy the country but cause enough disruption to allow an invasion force to land.
I’m not a military strategist though, so no guarantees on any of this.
They consider Taiwan part of China. They would see nuking Taiwan as nuking their own left hand. Very unlikely.
You misunderstand MAD. That applies between nuclear states. No one will be rushing to launch retaliatory nukes on Iran’s behalf.
Still fucked, and who knows maybe they have something capable of hitting Israel
MAD is when the other country can nuke you back. That doesn’t exist here. (As far as everyone knows.)
Are fallout shelters going to make a comeback?
Immediate global pariah. All agreements with a rogue nuclear state would immediately be voided. All trade ceases, all loans rescinded. Every US base would be evacuated and be blown up from afar by their host countries. The word American would become a synonym for murderer.
Also the Russians would rightly be terrified they’d be next and could launch a pre emptive nuclear strike to decapitate the US and israel.
Don’t give us too much hope!
(I’m pretty sure Russia doesn’t give a shit about Israel, and has nothing to fear from US, considering how friendly Trump is towards Putin)
This is something everyone hopes for but will never happen.
European leadership will still be kissing “Daddy” Trumps little asshole even after nuking Iran. They haven’t shown any sign of resistance up until now, what is a few extra dead Iranians going to change for western leaders?
Its fucking disgusting, but the greatest risk to world peace seems to be western civilization.
Fuck USA Fuck Israel Fuck war
It’s one thing to be a unreliable, distasteful ally who at least has common enemies.
It’s another thing to be a bigger genocider than Stalin and Hitler combined and knowingly rolling the dice on the end of the world.
Europe knows the US sucks, but it’s better than the alternatives at the moment. Letting a nuke slide is not an acceptable alternative for any country in the world. The US would immediately be a common enemy of every country in the world, and even the most cynical, bootlicking neoliberal cannot go against that.
Or maybe the political class is just all lizard people and waiting for the moment to Kill The Poor.
I don’t want it to be like that and I want to believe EU leaders would immediately ditch the US. But I fear you are right…
That’s delusional. The EU would never stop trading with the US unless the US attack European mainland.
Their whole reaction to the war so far was making frowny faces.
Blood thristy jackass
The Persian civilization has existed since like 500BC when most of Europe was still nomadic and the Roman Empire was still centuries away, and this buffoon thinks he can do something about it? the desperation of being a loser, the audacity of being ignorant, or both
Tbf he didn’t say which civilization would die
Hiroshima and Nagasaki still exist. A nuclear bombardment powerful enough to kill everyone in Iran would almost certainly be enough that Iran would be only one of many cultures instantly erased.
The US never had the stated goal to wipe those cities off the planet. This guy is a lunatic and will use far more than 1 nuke. He doesn’t care about consequences or the effects spreading to surrounding nations. It’s best to assume those making the calls are shortsighted and will do anything to meet immediate short term goals.
Imagine if every city in Japan was hit at once. Would those 2 cities have been rebuilt?
Also let’s not forget those bombs used in WW2 are a fraction of the strength of modern nukes.
My point was, if he throws enough nukes at Iran to kill 90 million people, we’re all going down together.
That’s not how radiation spreads. It will be bad for the surrounding countries, but modern bombs were designed to have lower radiation. Mostly so troops can go and occupy shortly afterwards. Plus the mountainous geography of Iran will contain a lot of the radiation.
Then there’s the question do you have to kill all 90 million? If they destroyed all cities over 100,000 that effectively ends the society overnight. It’s not the full 90 million, but there’s nothing left to rebuild with.
That alone limits the number of bombs dropped.
Plus we’re still forgetting that a deranged lunatic is in charge.
That’s not how radiation spreads but that sounds like a good way to trigger some mutually assured destruction from Iran’s allies
Radiation typically spreads through weather as its lifted into the atmosphere. Mountains notably break-up and can contain weather fronts. It will also inhibit the aresolization of radioactive dust.
Look into how mountains impact weather and the movement of air. I’m not claiming it will 100% contain radiation spread but it will help limit it.
Remember it is a function of time as radiation naturally decays over time. This isn’t Chernobyl, nukes are designed around isotopes that degrade faster.
But yeah Pakistan and Russia would likely feel the effects to some degree. Is Saudi Arabia a nuclear state? They would feel it too.
I’m not saying this is unlikely, I just think he’s blood drunk enough to do it. Our understanding of the effects of dozens of modern nuclear bombs on an urban center is theoretical, thankfully, but even with Iran’s geography, it’s going to cause huge problems with oil production, causing downstream food distribution issues etc.
I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.
I don’t think you can do enough damage to the people that there’s no Iranian (or Persian) state in 100 years without damaging the rest of the world irreparably. It’s not 100% clear what the death of a civilization entails, but it feels closer to wiping out the culture to me than destroying the big cities.
I guess it depends on your definition of society- they wouldn’t have a functioning government for a while, but the people surviving would still be Iranian and depending on whether they’re Kurdish, Persian, or other, might still have loyalty to the idea of an Iranian state.
Okay this one is fun and much more my area of expertise. You’re getting at the core because it is something that is very difficult to determine. The Roman Empire is a great example, we can talk about just the west for now. Roman Britain was abandoned by the Roman’s, and yet archaeological evidence shows that they still tried to live like Romans or at least the elites did. Historical records show a clear point at which the Roman Empire left, but when did the elites and people stop considering themselves Roman? They did eventually stop, and that was due to being cut-off from the empire.
Then you can look at the Bronze age collapse where whole civilizations just ceased to exist. Certainly the people persisted, but few states survived in tact. People still lived their but their civilizations ceased. They spoke the same languages still, but many cities across the Mediterranean region stop inhabited. By the time written record returned new states had formed and material culture changed. We know logically the people themselves existed in continuity but their societies ceased.
Maybe this is getting to into the weeds and not appropriate here, but this is my field and I’ve dedicated a lot of time to it. So the short answer is it is nearly impossible to draw a line, but societies do collapse even when the people persist
Su;pposing they do that, Iran still has missile launchers and missile production in hardened underground bunkers. They won’t get them all. As soon as the nukes go off, and for quite a while after, the missiles will continue to strike at every target Iran has been holding out on: desalination plants and oil/gas production facilities. Israel and the gulf states will be destroyed.
A plurality of the world’s oil and half the world’s fertilizer comes from the middle east so we will have a global depression and a global famine. We will all go down together.
