Oh it’s doing plenty. Just not for you.
Not too sure about the ‘doing nothing’ part.
True.
I’m shocked to learn that a dedicated browser always running in the background for a chat app uses 100x the memory and resources
I’m not using it nor the Facebook Messenger app, but rather their messenger in the browser. Meta is an evil necessity in my country because the businesses I deal with are mostly active on Facebook, and almost all people are tethered to it, and I have to use a facade where I don’t have to give Zuck anything about myself.
What Windows 11 pc exactly? 😎
That one.
Preferred by scammers
Ew. Why not use the browser version
There is no other version. An electron app is a browser app.
You can still just open it in the browser
How will that help?
Pah, only 1.2GB? How can it even move a mouse pointer or accept keyboard input?!?
A great alternative is to create a Matrix account and connect a WhatsApp bridge bot with the WhatsApp account, that way you can use any lightweight Matrix client. (It also works cross-platform)
Counterpoint: no, it’s not, because I’m not stupid enough to install it.
Or own a Windows PC!
Sadly, I have one that I need for some freelance work. But I don’t use it too much.
Born in the PWA it was.
(I figure this limits what it can scrape from any OS.)
Oh, it’s most likely doing something. Just nothing you would want.
Wouldn’t Windows 11 be the worst app on your Windows 11 PC? 🤔
It’s probably just teams, right?
bitlocker and the encrypt without permission resulting in loss of all files still takes the cake for me
windows update boot loop is a close second
It’s all sharepoint under the hood.
Only for some file storage. The Teams app is a memory hog and hot garbage all on its own.
I was joking for sure. Most of M365 is a hodgepodge of Exchange and Sharepoint, including Teams. But that’s all server side, so doesn’t matter to the client. They could make a the clients not terrible even if the server is hot garbage.
I once read a story about a Teams team in microslop Teams, was hilarious.
Technically… Yes.
Without having read the article, lemme guess… Electron.
Maybe now that no-one can afford RAM these companies might get motivated to do something about that. Hell, I’d accept them just feeling shamed into not being the worst memory hog on your system at this point, over any altruistic reason.
See also: Discord and Slack, two other colossal wastes of space that use an order of magnitude more RAM than a native app would while running slower and providing absolutely zero other benefits.
The worst part about electron is that there is no way for it to share resources like a browser. You have to oacjage the whole version together, when really should should have been more like a pwa. Instead you have 10 electron instances, running with 10x the respurce needs.
that’s why you just skip the middleman and run it in your browser instead.
my friend has 16gb of ram and he keeps hitting out-of-memory errors when he has like 5 apps open, because they’re all electron and they all take like 2gb each, it’s ridiculous
Your friend has disabled the swap file. Never a good idea.
To be honest I’d rather get OOM errors in my consumer OS than endless disk thrashing. At least mechanical drives were more resilient and you could hear the thrashing, as opposed to silent massive wear on your SSDs.
I run 32GB and I still run a swapfile. My ssd is still going after 3 years, but everything dies.
My SSDs are like ten to 15 years old, none are dead at this point. The cargo cult of swap files trashing everything.
I used to make use of a 64 GB RAM machine that still swapped like crazy, because I’m a shitty programmer (not really my field). I totally destroyed my SSD by swapping daily huge amounts of data, but the thing survived the whole process. Of course it died, but under normal circumstances I can’t see why people would be preoccupied for wearing their SSDs.
They don’t care if you can’t afford it. Data centers are buying them by the truckload.
OP was talking about the software companies, not the ram companies
Interestingly, in Microsoft’s Build Conference this year, they were pushing for “Native applications” again. This is probably two fold, one because RAM is getting so expensive we’ll probably start seeing 8GB laptops again, and two because AI will make something in whatever framework you tell it to, and has no problem maintaining separate code bases for each supported OS. Of course, that just means more tokens used as far as Microsoft is concerned, which is a win for them.
People using Meta’s products are masochists.
“Yes, daddy, please violate my privacy even more and manipulate me into hating myself and making me addicted to your shit.”
Well most people dont have any other option since 100% of your friends and families are exclusively on WhatsApp , whatsapp had early mover advantage it was free and easy to use so now everyone just uses it
so did my-space
And how long did it stay around even though there was a better option? And how much more penetration into everyday life does WhatsApp have today? Right.
Social media and chat applications are different, better comparison would be Skype or MSN Messenger or AIM.
If your friends can not be arsed to install an app on their phone for you, I got some bad news.
Actually it’s not just friends ( we did shifted to telegram a while back ) most people where I am from use WhatsApp grand parents to grand parents to even some college official group ( yeah Ik )
My government and employers would not move away from WhatsApp, so, short of lobbying, I am forced to remain.
No, the worst app is Windows 11. My parents have some all-in-one HP PC. It has some Intel laptop processor from about 8 years ago, 16GB of ram, (upgraded from 8), and a wheezy 256GB spinning drive, running Win10 adequately.
After being bombarded with “upgrade to Windows 11! It’s easy and fun!!” notifications, they did so, and of course their PC is woefully underpowered for the job.
I log in remotely and check what’s running and the OS is paging to the swap file constantly. [Edit: and I mean, to the point where opening an application takes 60 seconds of disk thrashing for a window to appear]
I had to get a de-bloat script and turn off about 50 Microsoft “essential services”. The biggest hog out of them all was copilot, which was using about 4GB while sitting there idle.
I have no doubt that I’m going to have to run that script every month as everything gets “repaired”, until I can get back to their place and put a SSD in and maybe install some flavour of Linux.
I had to get a de-bloat script and turn off about 50 Microsoft “essential services”
And then a Windows Update comes along…
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
My MILs computer has 8 GB of RAM… I have not yet convinced her she needs a new computer, but I did just install windows 10 iot ltsc on it so it will at least get security patches.
put that script in task scheduler on repeat. let it run every day
If you put in an ssd, Windows should run just fine.
Yeah, it’s on the to-do list. I still don’t like it endlessly paging though. I also hate Microsoft’s push to get everyone on win11 even if their PC’s will run like asthmatic slugs.
I have found every single PC of mine has benefitted from running Win11. Even those that don’t meet the criteria. It’s a solid OS.
If they were happy with 10 give them Mint, they won’t even notice if you skin it.
