President Donald Trump has warned the U.K. and France that the “U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore,” as he vented his frustration over the close allies’ refusal to join military action against Iran.

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    15 days ago

    I thought America had the greatest army in the world and didn’t want out help anyway

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      14 days ago

      Pete’s Warriors just need a little bit of help. Warriors ask for help don’t they?

    • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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      14 days ago

      When has America actually helped anyone since WW2? Korea? Kuwait? Everything else was dubious, at best; often crimes against humanity levels of imperialism, corruption, and war crimes.

      Most of the cold war was so tense and dangerous because they considered everything other than capitalism — regardless of any populations democratic will and self-determination — an existential threat that warrants warfare and mass murder.

      • Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        14 days ago

        I think the cold war was less about ideology about economic systems and more about alignment with the Soviet Union.

        There was plenty of eurocommunism and social democracy in Europe that wasn’t commented on by the US. Relations with the PRC were normalized in the 1970s after the 1961 sino-soviet split.

    • nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca
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      14 days ago

      The moment anyone else moved to assist he will simply bail out and walk away. He was actually dumb enough to say that out loud too. It would be strategically stupid and politically suicidal for anyone else to get involved.

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        15 days ago

        then THAT “whoever” is a fool. A world war is pretty much the end of the gravy train. They’re dumb if they think they will come out on top.

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          14 days ago

          You need to understand that there is a real faction within the already heinous Nationalist Christians that are even more truly batshit insane than their already crazy baseline, who are genuinely doing their level best to bring about the biblical end times - which, of course just means a nuclear holocaust for everyone. This is not hyperbole. There are people who are actually pushing for that outcome who are part of our regime right now.

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          15 days ago

          You seem pretty confident in that despite the fact that large scale wars have made the current players in this war rich and powerful in the first place.

          Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers. Hell, it’s the only reason Israel even exists.

          Wars exist because they benefit the ruling class.

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            14 days ago

            You seem pretty confident in that

            if you ask me to gamble on starting of a nuclear war vs. it not happening… I wouldn’t risk it.

            Look at the outcomes of WWII

            I did look at the outcomes. It was quite a different set of circumstances.

            1. Most of the world did not have Nuclear Missiles.
            2. We didn’t have Social Media to the extent to allow a small group of people to spread FUD so easily.
            3. We didn’t have global mega-corps manipulating the fabric of society with impunity. The average CEO is out of touch with workers and only thinks ahead 3 months. There is a lot of arrogance and ignorance about concepts beyond one’s understanding.
            4. Making Money/Having Clout is the only metric of success.
            5. Human induced climate change is messing with the ecological system and making it difficult to rely on crops. It will hit hard especially when we are not paying attention due to pointless wars.
            6. There is a fucking betting market for if a child gets bombed to bits in some part of the world, and a pedophile and his cabinet seem to be doing insider trading on it.
            7. Every fucker is a racist or facist or adjacent. Empathy has taken a permanent sabbatical.

            Wars exist to benefit the ruling class. But if all of the ruling class dies it’s fucking stupid.

          • halcyoncmdr@piefed.social
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            14 days ago

            Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers.

            The US and Russia emerged as superpowers because 99% of the fighting wasn’t on their land. They didn’t have to rebuild.

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                14 days ago

                Why? Because you think there’s enough difference between the USSR and Russia to differentiate between them? The only major difference is that half the continent is no longer under Russian rule. Russia is USSR light. Same shit different day, regardless of what they want to claim about communism/capitalism/oligarchs/etc. It’s the rich fucks running everything and killing or “disappearing” anyone critical of the regime.

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            Hell, it’s the only reason Israel even exists.

            This is an understandably common view, but it’s not true. The only fundamental change WWII brought to Palestine was weakening the British Empire; Zionists, partially due to British support, were by far the ascendant group in Palestine as early as 1939, so Israel was going to appear as soon as the British left Palestine. Zionist wealth and diplomacy, Arab weakness and division, Western colonial ambitions and British colonial policy made something resembling the current situation inevitable with or without WWII.

            • John Richard@lemmy.world
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              Does anyone remember when Zionists bombed a ship full of Jewish refugees in 1940 (SS Patria Disaster) and Palestinians helped save victims from the water and then many were forced out of their homes 8 years later by Zionists?

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                  13 days ago

                  They bombed the ship because the Zionists didn’t want them leaving. So they miscalculated the explosives and killed hundreds of Jewish refugees. Because of their stupid religious beliefs.

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    15 days ago

    The problem, you vainglorious asshole, is that you wouldn’t have been anyway and everyone has realized that. And now that you’ve pissed away all of America’s good will you have no leverage.

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    14 days ago

    I’m not convinced help would have been forthcoming had it been required, so ummm, ok I guess. Whatever.

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    15 days ago

    We don’t need your help, we are satisfied that YOU DO NOT BREAK THE FUCKING PLANET AND THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM

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    14 days ago

    The usa will be there to help in the future, once trump is dead and gone, but only if there is anything left of it after trump and his cronies suck it dry.

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      14 days ago

      The problem is the views that got Trump elected will still be there in the country for the foreseeable future. So ultimately the USA is not a reliable member of NATO at any point since Trump was first elected. The USA is no longer a member they just haven’t changed the treaties yet. That won’t be going back at any point in the lifetime of anyone who lived through the Trump era.

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        14 days ago

        The way Netanjahu is speed running things, makes it seem that he may not be counting 100% on that.