The Israeli military ordered an investigation into what went wrong, as strikes on two towns close to a nuclear site underlined Iran's continued ability to hit back.
Punishing a whole country for the actions of a few elites is a bit steep. If you think the average American wants half of what’s going on, you’ve fallen victim to propaganda. Do better. By your logic we should have commit genocide after WW2 to make sure the Nazis were even stevens with the Jews. That eye for an eye thinking will make the whole world blind.
Well it’s way less than half that voted against trump. The percentage of eligible voters that actually vote in the U.S. is pathetic.
But yes, sucks for those that voted against it. But their (much lesser) culpability is not not striking, protesting, campaigning, etc. If they’re doing all that, then I’m sure they’re just as pissed off at the rest of Americans so they wouldn’t mind my generalization.
And it’s pathetic in those places too. But when it’s a choice of trump or a less insane option, that 35% of Americans who didn’t bother to vote is a whole lot of idiots who are part of the problem.
They ran what they ran. I honestly don’t know if they’d had a further left platform if they’d have lost more centrists than gained leftist votes in the places that mattered. But they were still obviously the far better choice, so I still hold any American who didn’t vote for them responsible for trump and his actions.
Many of us are doing those things, but that is beside my point. I am more referring to the notion that civilians deserve the hell of warfare, particularly when policies they personally voted for are what led there.
I believe this sort of “give them what they deserve” thinking is what allows our leaders to even wage war at all, and without it, there would be little to no public appetite for warfare.
I find it helps me to remember that even the most violent and rabid constituencies are voting based on a concerted multi-billion dollar constant misinformation campaign, and holding them responsible for their position in that scenario is blaming the victim. The people that are callous to the other side and cheer on bloodshed were programmed daily for many years to behave in that manner. Rather than kill them or wish for their death, we can work to dismantle the apparatus that took our friends, neighbors, and family members from us and turned them into those ghouls. I believe most will return to sanity on their own if the spigot of falsehoods stops.
Look, if a nation sends aid to another in a time of need then it should get help when it is in need. If a nation sends bombs it is only fair that it gets bombed. The usa is not some magical outsider immune to the consequences of their own actions.
And to bring up the Jews with what is currently going on is kinda finny. israel exists due partly to the genocide in WWII and apparently you think that Germany was not bombed the everliving fuck out of. Do you know of the Dresden bombings, it was also a genocide.
Punishing a whole nation for what their leaders have that nation do is very much the standard, if that nation does not want that then there is always resistance or revolution.
Yes, one can hope that one day americans get exactly the sort of treatment they have done on the world.
Punishing a whole country for the actions of a few elites is a bit steep. If you think the average American wants half of what’s going on, you’ve fallen victim to propaganda. Do better. By your logic we should have commit genocide after WW2 to make sure the Nazis were even stevens with the Jews. That eye for an eye thinking will make the whole world blind.
If half of the Americans actually voted against this crap it wouldn’t happen. They didn’t and so they’re at fault.
And the other half that did vote, and starkly against all that–where does their culpability lie?
Well it’s way less than half that voted against trump. The percentage of eligible voters that actually vote in the U.S. is pathetic.
But yes, sucks for those that voted against it. But their (much lesser) culpability is not not striking, protesting, campaigning, etc. If they’re doing all that, then I’m sure they’re just as pissed off at the rest of Americans so they wouldn’t mind my generalization.
65.3% of voters voted in 2024. Thats higher than the UK or Ireland, and its not even a national holiday to do it. Its close to par with Canada.
So I call BS on your post.
And it’s pathetic in those places too. But when it’s a choice of trump or a less insane option, that 35% of Americans who didn’t bother to vote is a whole lot of idiots who are part of the problem.
I see you arent going after the dems who ran a ridiculously bad campaign. why not?
They ran what they ran. I honestly don’t know if they’d had a further left platform if they’d have lost more centrists than gained leftist votes in the places that mattered. But they were still obviously the far better choice, so I still hold any American who didn’t vote for them responsible for trump and his actions.
Many of us are doing those things, but that is beside my point. I am more referring to the notion that civilians deserve the hell of warfare, particularly when policies they personally voted for are what led there.
I believe this sort of “give them what they deserve” thinking is what allows our leaders to even wage war at all, and without it, there would be little to no public appetite for warfare.
I find it helps me to remember that even the most violent and rabid constituencies are voting based on a concerted multi-billion dollar constant misinformation campaign, and holding them responsible for their position in that scenario is blaming the victim. The people that are callous to the other side and cheer on bloodshed were programmed daily for many years to behave in that manner. Rather than kill them or wish for their death, we can work to dismantle the apparatus that took our friends, neighbors, and family members from us and turned them into those ghouls. I believe most will return to sanity on their own if the spigot of falsehoods stops.
Look, if a nation sends aid to another in a time of need then it should get help when it is in need. If a nation sends bombs it is only fair that it gets bombed. The usa is not some magical outsider immune to the consequences of their own actions.
And to bring up the Jews with what is currently going on is kinda finny. israel exists due partly to the genocide in WWII and apparently you think that Germany was not bombed the everliving fuck out of. Do you know of the Dresden bombings, it was also a genocide.
Punishing a whole nation for what their leaders have that nation do is very much the standard, if that nation does not want that then there is always resistance or revolution.
Small problem, I have done nothing to anybody, why should I be bombed? Are you actually this ignorant? I thought society had moved past this trash