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  • Again, making assumptions about what every light will be like. Different places installed different things at different times. Sensors fail. Programming gets updated and introduces errors. My city has a dozen or-so painted cross-walks at intersections that work as I’ve described previously, and without any buttons for pedestrians to push to make the light change; Those lights will NEVER change for a pedestrian at night. The “exceptions” laws stay on the books for many different reasons, reasons that will likely never go-away.

    Literally no-one here is arguing against “bike holding areas”(?), but if you want to argue there should never be exceptions, exceptions made to accomodate bikes and pedestrians of all things, you’re gonna have a bad time.


  • Your last three words, in hyphens, is exactly my point. It should matter no more to those advocating they should be able to drive or ride as slowly as they want, than it does to those who pass them.

    I have no problem sharing the road with farm-equipment, bikes, horses, carriages, what-have-you, and respecting signs/markings that indicate no passing, or even prohibit just the passing of specific categories.

    Fact is, those signs already exist and aren’t in the places people in this thread are acting like such rules should be in-effect, so at what point is x passing you no longer offensive? Emergency vehicles? Busses? Car-pooling vehicles? Should you as a bike-rider be free to stop and inspect random cars to see if they hold enough passengers in that moment to be qualified to pass you?

    You’re right, it doesn’t matter, there will always be slower and faster vehicles, and passing, no matter how much/many idiots label themselves “Vorhees” and ignore studies that show their claims versus passing vehicles amount to horse-shit, even when the scenario is setup to promote the idea.

    Share the road means share the road, from both ends. As a bike-rider, I found nothing more frustrating than when a death-machine, shortly holding-up a row of death-machines, chose to pace me from behind and in-line with myself. Their following distance was almost never enough to have saved my life if I popped a tire or otherwise fell in a moment when they weren’t paying perfect attention, and let’s be real; Drivers don’t use every-excuse to drive slowly when their vision, reflexes, and even attention-to-detail are top-notch.

    The slow drivers are literally the last ones an even slower, more vulnerable, means of transport should want to share the road with, and pacing an even slower vehicle isn’t “solidarity”; It’s menace.



  • You realize light-timings are calibrated and coordinated based-on intended traffic speeds, right? Just because the speeders get stopped at the next light doesn’t mean a too-slow driver doesn’t get stopped by that same light after the speeder’s got their green and gone-on.

    Apparently you’ve never been on one of the roads I mentioned long-enough to notice they tend to have 4-lanes and lights spaced over a mile-apart, but even on a regular road with room to pass, demanding no-one do-so while you putter-along at just-over-half the speed limit is asinine. Drivers can pass farm-equipment that takes up a lane-and-a-half, stopped emergency-vehicles/cops, mail-trucks, busses, street sweepers and dumptrucks, but not you?

    So where’s the part about what your asking in any way resembles sharing the road again? The article doesn’t even mention bikes, golf carts, or glorified mobility-scooters, btw.

    Oh, and it literally says the opposite of what OP claims, even between motor vehicles moving with normal traffic, not obstructing it:

    That means, on average, the lead of one car over the other remains the same after the light as before.

    The results suggest the idea the slower car will inevitably catch up at the lights is something of an illusion.