Umm, not sure if you have seen Framework’s prices.

The current 13in with a weak intel processor is $1850 (and you can’t get it until October). To buy an equivalent Dell? Around $1,000 and you can get it tomorrow. The upgrade cost for the motherboard (say you want to switch to AMD), will cost you $900. For that $3k you can buy 3 Dells all with ram and storage.

And no, they aren’t positioned well without RAM as their newer ones use LPCAMM2. You don’t have that just lying around.

That would be great, except it seems that most companies are actively discouraging you from using their website, as it’s easier for them to list through Amazon. Recent experience was the product on the website was higher prices, slower shipping and a restocking fee if you need to return. Amazon? Next day, ‘free shipping’ and easy returns.

Not sure unless the place exists locally and you can go in store and actually buy something (that’s becoming rare as well), that there is a better way except to not buy anything in general.

Isn’t that no different than the millions of open source projects that have few authors, little interest and are abandoned for the next shiny thing? At least in my mind with the current state of LLMs, if there is an open source project that you want to update for yourself, you should be able to do that pretty easily.

Exactly. Oh I have this small problem, or solution I want to solve. Great I can put something together quickly and move on with life. I am not selling it, and it’s not even needed for ‘open source’ because its often incredibly niche problems that I am trying to solve for, that I wouldn’t be able to do elsewise.

For me, it’s been super helpful to write personalized things quickly that I wouldn’t have been able to do otherwise. Are these things I plan on maintaining for decades? Hell no. But there is no current solution, this isn’t a commercial product, and I always have the code in case I want to make adjustments in the future.

I mean, Dell is the #3 in laptop sales and sells roughly 30 million laptops per year. So yeah, Framework is roughly 0% of market share. I know this is a very tech enthusiast heavy website, but there are certain realities that people should face. It’s like saying Nothing Phone is going to remotely compete with Apple. It’s not a fair or valid comparison in the first place. I think a more fair comparison for Framework (beyond what they are hoping to achieve) would be with a small system builder like System 76, XMG or the likes.

I have never seen a Framework in the wild, however I applaud their approach, but even when taking repair costs in consideration, Frameworks are more expensive than simply upgrading to a newer laptop and using the old laptop for some other purpose. I can’t imagine with the rampocalypse that they easily survive, but I hope they do, I wish other manufacturers would make repair a higher priority.

So far my experience with DDG is it’s not exactly great at searching either.

So where is that going to be? If the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible), what do you think happens then? When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced. You aren’t simply going to put them somewhere else. Europe currently is struggling with climate and war migrants, the US is the same.

We still don’t have the ability to destroy the planet. We just will make it uninhabitable for the number of humans that are currently here, which has happened quite a lot in human history.

I mean the ability to survive it will be based on where you are located. And for the billions that are unable to survive it, they will either start wars with those who can, or will die in the process, or both.

I mean most of all human civilization has had those very things though. The climate change part is a bit more recent, but housing has and always will be problematic, and women along with anyone that looks ‘different’ are typically the first people subjugated in human civilizations. When you think about it at a high level, humans kind of suck overall.

You might want to read the old book Earth Abides. Sure, humans may screw things up, but just like the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, the planet will be just fine.

Quiet quitting fell out of favor when businesses simply started laying people off. Wild how that works.

I mean… people have been calling the apocalypse since ancient times. Because that’s reality. Every civilization falls, every society fails, and it’s often via war and violence. We simply have been able to become more connected and harm each other on larger scales over time.

Kind of like the old black friday scam that pretty much every retailer uses to prevent pricing matching, just have a slightly different store only specific SKU.

I don’t know about you, but stores have realized this and simply don’t stock a lot of things any longer. I had it recently with a shirt brand I enjoyed, wanted to go to the store to buy it and check the size, and they indicated they only ship online now. So you buy through them, have to get various sizes and if you return you pay a restocking fee. Or you go through Amazon, buy the same shirt, overnight delivery and free returns.

Maybe it’s selfish, but it’s not any more efficient to drive to somewhere, to get told to buy it online, to buy online and have to ship or physically return to somewhere.

Doesn’t DDG literally just feed it through Bing instead?

And Google is able to harvest your information in a million other ways, literally from you simply going to a website.

Yeah, I was going to say the advice in the meme in kind of dumb. I can order the same product on Amazon or the website of the product, but on Amazon returns are super easy, shipping is overnight, and I am not dealing with some weird 3rd party payment system.

Now if the product is made locally at a small business, and is similarly priced, then absolutely, that’s my preferred way to do things.

Depends on what you are talking about again, because in general Americans are able to afford more ‘stuff’ than they ever have.