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It just means they have to write “mistakes” or “performance issues” on the paperwork instead of “replaced by robots”
I’m not going to hand my money to that paywall on such an overstimulating website riddled with AI.
China (its court, anyways) is a civil law jurisdiction (i.e. precedent doesn’t exist too much) so I’m curious what law’s letter is being applied here.
There are so many speech restrictions and humans rights violations in China that scare the hell out of me, but then I see rulings like this and their progress on robotics and tech and I think “Well, they are doing something right…” I hope one day there is more free speech for people in China who deserve to be able to say what they want.
It’s a great ruling because companies that would normally favor efficiency and profit increases are in a better position to take these existing workers and utilize them in different ways than just have everyone fired en masse and then somehow the market will sort it out. Even under classical economic theories, governments are supposed to regulate externalities and AI displacing workers too rapidly could be considered a type of externality.
I bet in China you can talk about the genocide in Gaza without getting beaten, jailed, or deported.
Try saying
Tibeton a bus stop, and watch your ass getting hauled to the nearest police station in like 30 seconds.…Tibet is a province in China and is openly talked about kiddo. Tibet was, for a period of about 40 years, under a brutal monarchy that had institutionalized child sex slavery. The Dalai Lama is a child sex advocate.
Tibet then did a civil war around the time of China’s revolution, where the main party of the rebellion which I don’t care to look up the name of because Tibetan is mostly nonsense words to me, requested help from the newly freed China. China obliged, with the caveat of Tibet returning to China instead of continuing on as an independent country. Which was greatly preferred during war time at least because, you know, they were spending all their military resources fighting the UK and US backed Tibetan child sex slave government.
After the war, like all provinces Tibet was poor, poorly integrated with the rest of China, and had little access to outside resources… until about the 1990s. Like the rest of China. Now Tibetan culture and language is mandatory for schools in Tibet (like Uyghur in Xinjiang and Mongolian in Inner Mongolia, also there’s that weird muslim group in inner mongolia that actually has their own culture and language requirements in schools that I forget. And I mean weird as in, why did they become muslim that far north east, not that they’re weird for being Muslim.) and Tibet, like Xinjiang, is seeing a golden age of modernization and resources being poured into it.
Because China realized after the East Tukistan terror attacks from Turkey and the US that you can’t have home grown terrorism or dissidence if you just, give people the resources they need to live well and thrive.
It’s crazy that a country with no free speech has tens of thousands of protests every year.
I saw that protests are free as long as they are against the local government. People can complain online and in-person against local authorities and demand central government step in to save them, too. But if the rethoric starts going to “central government is wrong”, then it gets supressed
I heard online that it’s illegal to be against Christianity in America, as well as it being illegal to be against fascism, or ‘anti fascist’ in the USA as you’ll be labelled a domestic terrorist. I heard in America that the cops won’t kill you if you are a white person walking at night but not if you are a black teenager. I heard in America that the government will allow your father to shoot you until you die if you disagree with him politically but ask to see his gun. I heard in America you will be killed by the government for being
homelesspoor and there’s nothing anyone will do about it.But America is where freedom is. If you live in any conditions freer than that, you are actually in a less free country than America because actually America is actually freer than any other country actually.
I understand the parallel, but all you said can be confirmed or denied by several sources I have access to. I don’t have alternative sources for most of the claims about China. Could you provide them? When I read about these things, it seemed trustworthy.
Also, I’m not even american, chill. I am not chinese either, I don’t have a horse in this race. Both can burn in nuclear winter as far as I care
There are some hardcore pro-china people on lemmy. I made a joke about disappearing someone for re-education (like what happened to Jack Ma, co-founder of Ali-baba) and people downvoted shit out of it and said my American media is lying, idk what I’m talking about, etc etc.
I’m not saying the American media is a beacon of journalistic integrity or anything but it’s telling they won’t even admit these things happen in China.
…You spread a conspiracy theory not even supported by mainstream US outlets and people reacted badly?!
Jack Ma was not ‘disappeared.’ He was, in fact, brought up on charges that were later dismissed due to his cooperation. This was public news. Because Jack Ma attempted to bribe members of the CPC in order to gain political support for his incredibly unpopular and stupid idea of lessening safety regulations to bring Chinese markets closer to the ‘freedom’ of the US market.
His political movement failed, his bribery attempts were exposed, and unfortunately, he was not punished for them beyond having to issue an apology. Honestly it’s a shame China didn’t actually punish him like your conspiracy theory suggests, given the amount of damage he attempted to do to the Chinese economy and integrity of the People’s congress.
It’s almost as if the speech restrictions and human rights violations are grossly exaggerated or entirely misreported by companies that are exclusively funded by the US intelligence community. . .
Don’t get me wrong, some still do exist (especially on the company side of things). Since, you know, it’s a country consisting of 1/7th of humanity; but equally it’s pretty silly to think 1/7th of humanity is too stupid to do anything about a single supposedly hyper repressive government that allegedly doesn’t let them speak against it.
People always shit on China, not realizing workers have good protection in general. Besides that unlike the US, China has a strong privacy protection law similar to the European GDPR. You’ll never hear about this, because that goes against what western propaganda would like you to believe.
https://www.hawksford.com/insights-and-guides/china-pipl-compliance-guide
Edit : exactly what I was expecting. Commenting ongoing negativity about China. Not talk about illegal wars started by the US, bombing children, the US genocide against the native Americans, slavery. No always the same rinse and repeat. I get it China bad. Like North Korea but worse except for all the advances in technology, infrastructure and medicine.
Never heard of 996 huh? What does the US have to do with any of this anyways? A not insignificant number of us aren’t Americans and so that doesn’t affect us since we don’t work there.
Foxconn employees in particular are very well protected:
…from the ground.
“Failing to meet a quota or making a mistake can draw public condemnation from superiors. Workers are often expected to stay silent and may draw rebukes from their bosses for asking to use the restroom.”
https://wonderfulengineering.com/story-life-death-apple-forbidden-city/
The installation of suicide nets reflects a broader commitment to employee well-being and mental health within the tech industry.
https://wheelermethodist.org/religion/suicide-nets-apple/
Yeah, say that with a straight face.
Other than the safety nets this sounds exactly like working at an Amazon fullfillment center in the US. The safety nets are a good thing, letting people die isn’t.
Same China that has 17% youth unemployment rate and says that the “lying flat” trend is “western propaganda”. Same China that is notorious for 996 where people work from 9am to 9pm 6 days per week?
You know you can be critical of Chinese policy and propaganda without hating China or liking the US. Use your brain dude, stop being a sheep.
If you feel like you need to mention those things on every post mentioning China, maybe the sheep is your mirror.
That’s exactly OP’s point: can’t mention anything positive China does without all the worlders diverting. “Keep buying ICEs, because EVs use Chinese batteries, and you wouldn’t want to fund them!”. Big Oil thank you for your service, now go grab MacDonald’s where employees are treated with the utmost respect. Don’t look up.
Tell me more about the worker protections extended to the children working in Nike sweatshops.
Cool story
Gee I wonder why people criticize China for treating workers like crap. Is it the sweatshops or the Uyghur camps? It‘s a mystery.
There is a big push for pro China propaganda I keep noticing.
Be smart people, it hasn’t changed from the china you knew five years ago. Same dude still running it.
I think its that people see all the shitty things their own country does and realize that its not really and better. Especially if your an American and your tax dollars are used to fund a genocide for Israel and concentration camps in the US. Neither country has any morale high ground.
Probably not the case for the original creator of the post, who seems to live in China.
MBFC for Caixin Global:
Lol MBFC, the website that calls CNN a left leaning source. Might as well ask rats what they think of cats.
Yeah, imagine how horrible it must be for even MBFC to call a site center right.
It started as pure propaganda but got adopted by all of the basement dwellers living of social support in the west who turned China’s propaganda into a lifestyle (aka tankies)
This is projection
You didn’t know anything about China five years ago either
The “Uyghur camps” are bullshit, the only countries claiming otherwise have spent the past 50+ years indiscriminately imprisoning and bombing innocent muslims around the world, zero credibility
You forgot, you have to ignore all the good things China does, highlight all the bad (especially if it’s western fear mongering bullshit), and when you highlight how contextually the US is almost always worse for X reason, remember to “oppose both” when you seem to have way more smoke for the other. This is because “tankies bad” and don’t think about it harder obviously. /s
You forgot, you have to ignore all the good things China does
For it’s workers? China is still behind EU when it comes to workers rights and benefits though? Good for them they are slowly, very slowly progressing in that regard.
E.g. paid time off in China is 5 days a year, +5 for every decade of cumulative work experience; it starts at 4-6 weeks in the EU; China has more of it’s own youth muddled in gig economy then EU (don’t get me started on how exploitative gig work is, it is disgusting any country allows for that practice).
Even in your one cherry picked metric it’s still beating the US. Incredible.
- Why would you use shit for comparisons? Compare upwards. And why would you inject US into this thread too?
- I don’t care about this thread or you, why would I spent more effort showing more metrics?
You’re losing and you know it
??? Are we having two different discussions?
I think lifting that many people out of extreme poverty in that short of time is admirable, and speaks to how recent the rise has been. The fact you’re saying “but they don’t have as good of worker amenities like paid time off of Europe that wasn’t at nearly such a disadvantage” is a wild standard.
Strange to see China of all places to be societal ahead of everyone else.
Not really to be honest. They’re an authoritarian regime, but they do a lot of social policies. It’s a weird mix but not a new one.
It’s not nearly as authoritarian as people like to claim. Chinese citizens hold tens of thousands of protests each year against a wide variety of topics, and the government is legally required to respond to them. As a consequence, the Chinese government is orders of magnitude more responsive to local corruption or abuses of power than almost any western country.
It absolutely is. Have a look at the definition of authoritarianism, China checks all the boxes.
Literally all governments are definitionally authoritarian, it’s a stupid criticism
Absolutely not! I encourage you to re-read the definition of authoritarianism and research a bit more about the governments all around the world!
Ah! So you consider that every single restriction a country applies makes it authoritarian. Yeah, I don’t think you understand authoritarianism, and in today’s context, that’s dangerous.
But I won’t lose sleep over it!
China has better worker’s policies than America.
This one policy is better in this extremely superficial description.
Neither country has workers rights on par with Europe for example.
Europe has executed CEO’s for violating their worker’s human rights?
financial fraud and corruption are not violating workers’ human rights
They absolutely are. When a building collapses due to the safety inspectors being bribed, it’s not the rich people that die – they live in the nice buildings. When an investigation into fair wages gets bribed away who suffers? The workers.
When a politician spends his career working against the workers who suffers? The Workers.
China at a local level is incredibly directly democratic, with workers voting on most things. Directly going against the will of the people is harming those people’s essential right to self determination, compromising their safety, and denying them all other rights afforded by China’s constitution.
While this isn’t actually how money works in any country, the workers pay the wages of the politicians, they demand honest service, and the whole system is based on the idea that can be done.
Murdering people isn’t the flex you think it is.
Murder is when crimes against humanity are prosecuted. You’re so smart.
Hey, if you cool with human rights violations and state sanctioned murder that is on you.
I’m not okay with human rights violations, which is why I support jury trial enabled capital punishment for those committing human rights abuses, like every CEO China has executed.
Capital punishment is a human rights violation silly.
Did you even hear about America’s Apple’s Foxconn factory in China where the factory has nets on the windows to stop the frequent ‘inconvenient’ problem of cheap labor workers attempts of window jump suicides, for example? Co-operative structure (worker-owned) companies have more likelihood to have more human policies to, uh, themselves, than ponzi scheme corporations. Despite a fancy socialist (‘communist’) sounding title of government structure, Russia and China both took International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans, with their conditions of worker rights suffocation policies and market concentration monopolization policies. America’s and China’s feudalist monopolist billionaires have a lot more proximity of ideology than either of their propaganda machines has acknowledged so far.
Yeah, I know about all of that, and they still have a better working environment than Americans.
As China has prospered, they have managed to reduce most poverty in their nation. As we have prospered under MAGA, Americans’ quality of life is decreasing, and the slide is increasing. China is going the right way, we are definitely going the wrong way.
I’m not saying that China doesn’t have issues, but they are still committed to the betterment of their country’s future, while American leaders are ONLY concerned with exploiting our country and it’s people to the absolute maximum degree. They don’t want to leave one illegal penny on the table.
I don’t want to be China, but I don’t want to be MAGAMERICA either.
Typical Chinese factory workers have 10-12 hour shifts 6 days a week. Many workers literally live at the factory. Sounds way better than the US or Europe.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
They’re a worker’s republic, of course they do.
If CCP and PLA run China experiences high unemployment, the country will implode. The court ruling is one thing, but what will really occur will be the complete opposite. Free West Taiwan!
Delusional
I would kill to live in a country like China that optimizes its economy for use value over exchange value.
Honey, I used to live there, and I hate to burst your bubble, but there’s a huge HUGE difference between what China says and does.
I’ve heard from many other Chinese people who say the opposite, so I’m gonna go ahead and press X to doubt.
Edit: I also don’t really care what someone with enough resources to emigrate has to say. I’m more concerned with ordinary workers, who have a 90%+ approval rating of the CCP.
What do the rural poor in China think of their new billionaire class and their ever increasing wealth gap?
They probably hate it, but are glad that they have the CCP to prevent them from gaining political power as well as economic power.
The CCP are the wealthy people in control. Those are some good mental gymnastics.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Tankies call you out for
patronizingwhen literally every single comment ever by tankies on Lemmy are patronizing and calling out people for “being brainwashed capitalistic libs”. Yikes.Patronizing and completely unsubstantiated!
As someone currently living there, I don’t believe you.
Can’t say anything good about China without droves of butthurt westerners showing up to regurgitate outdated state department talking points and be weird & racist
