As an American myself, I’ve asked several people this question. No one seems to know why either. Is it strategic position in the world? I don’t think they have anything the US can exploit besides that really. Am I missing something? Political arguing aside what exactly is the motivation? Thanks for any explanations.

  • ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠@slrpnk.net
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    It’s a friendly nation in an area where those are scarce, so being able to base military operations out of there is seen as a key strategic asset.

    Not defending, just explaining.

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    USA has a large population of Jews. Not all are zionists, in fact there have been many anti-zionist Jews protesting against Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. However, some are zionists. Some Jews see Israel as a backup plan - if shit goes south in the USA they can always flee there.

    USA has a lot of evangelical Christians. Somehow (it’s not in the Bible) they have convinced themselves that a Jewish return to the Holy Land is necessary before the end of the world happens. Which they want to happen, because they believe they are the good guys and will go to heaven.

    USA has a lot of racists. They see Israel as an ethnostate, they like that and support it. Their hatred of brown people is stronger than their hatred of Jews so they are happy to see Israel oppress Palestinians.

    USA also has anti-semites who are glad to see a place exist where Jews “should” go to. And they are ecstatic that Israel’s genocide of Palestinians is igniting a new wave of anti-semitism.

    Many Americans also see Israel as the only democracy in the middle east. It isn’t a democracy, of course, since it has de facto control over Palestine and therefore a huge population is disenfranchised. But wait - rights only for a certain group of people, oppression for the rest - that’s like America when it was “great” (ie pre-Civil Rights era) and they want America “great again”.

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      This paints an extremely bleak picture of the US population that really doesn’t match reality very well.

      To start, there are about 10 million Jews in the US, if we consider the most liberal possible definition of being Jewish, which includes even people who don’t consider themselves Jewish but who live in a Jewish household. Source. With the current US population of 350 million, that means about 3% of the population is Jewish. That is not enough to sway any real policy decisions, unless the group formed an extremely organized voting bloc, which they do not.

      Evangelical Christians make up a more significant chunk of the US population, but they tend to be more concerned with restricting women’s bodily autonomy. If you were to grab a random evangelical off the street, they might know about this rapture theory, but they would probably be like “why are you talking to me, I’m trying to buy milk”

      It is difficult to measure how many people in the US are racist or antisemetic, since such topics are taboo and people tend not to advertise their stances. But I would guess that the population of racists or antisemites who are really in the weeds enough to support Israel would be lower than the population of Jews. Most of these people are not smart enough to pull off those mental gymnastics.

      Instead, the important thing to know about the average American is that they are not keeping up with global geopolitics. They understand that part of the reason for the creation of Israel was so the Jews wouldn’t get genocided again, and they know that Nazis and genocide are bad, so they support it. They might have heard about Hamas, Gaza, or a two state solution, but they would fumble if you asked them to explain the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, or asked them to point to Gaza on a map of Israel. And if you asked them to explain the two state solution, a lot of them would struggle to remember what the other state even is. Their main concerns if you start talking to them about the Isreal-Palestine conflict are (1) to make sure that you understand that they are not a nazi, and don’t want the Jews to be genocided again and (2) exiting the conversation as soon as possible so they can buy milk and watch Survivor.

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        “Jew” is actually something us Khazars made up around the 12th or 13th century. I’m a partial Khazar, and I never knew that until I learned what it meant.

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    Man! That’s a can of worms!

    Entire books have been written on the subject.

    The U.S.and Israel have a tangled history going back most of a century at this point.

    The short answer is that there are enough historical, religious, and cultural ties for the two countries to be allies long term. Since the us, and by extension NATO, needed a place of projected power in the region, and there was an opportunity to make that happen, Israel happened.

    And, being real, Israel has mostly been a reliable ally since its creation as a country. It’s hard to point to a time when Israel didn’t fulfill its expected role in the relationship.

    As such, it’s really no surprise that when both countries have leadership that are absolute fascist pricks, that the governments would go whole hog in supporting each other.

    Again, that’s the disgustingly short, over simplified version. I don’t have enough interest to turn it into an essay, nor even a discussion, just wanted to drop my take on the matter in a simple way since I didn’t see anything in other comments to just upvote and support with a subsidiary comment as being super close to the way I would say it.

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      You forgot the part where Christian fundamentalist believe Israel is one of the key components to triggering God’s apocalypse. They think it’ll send the world and rapture them into heaven. Never mind that is such a thing were real, that’s not where their own handbook says they’re going.

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    I have a possible explanation that goes into religious themes and geopolitics from a perspective not many people should understand… one where it’s believed (and proven) Vicarius Filii Dei = 666 in a form of Latin numerology not used anymore.

    Historicists (people like myself) believe that the Jesuits set this up as a means to get people obeying the Antichrist Beast Popes of Rome (taking the Mark of the Beast on the right hand through actions), and of course, revering him as well (taking the Mark of the Beast on the forehead).

    Why this context? The Jesuits were the ones who started Israel (this fake 1948 version), since a retired Jesuit Superior General (False Prophet to the Pope) went the Jerusalem in Occupied Palestine to control the upcoming wars (including WWIII, which we seem to be in right now). Zionism was created by the Jesuits using a yes man in Benjamin Herzl (he changed his name to Theodore to sound more Caucasian) back in 1898, where the first Zionist Congress was held. On top of that, this is practically the same as socialism, fascism, and communism. Think of Zionism as fake Khazar Judean socialism (a form of national socialism before Hitler).

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      since a retired Jesuit Superior General (False Prophet to the Pope) went the Jerusalem in Occupied Palestine to control the upcoming wars

      Lmao is the crux of all this that a retired Jesuit visited Jerusalem?

      I’m sure no one else visited Jerusalem during this time and I can’t think of any other possible reason a member of a Christian religious order would visit Jerusalem.

      I’m guessing the fact that Israel was created by Britain, which hasn’t been Catholic since 1558, in no way presents an obstacle to your conspiracy theory. The idea of Jesuit priests infiltrating British parliament and controlling things behind the scenes is immensely funny to me. They wish, lol.

      The real reasons both for Israel’s creation and the US’s support are material. The Middle East is full of oil. The US (and UK) want oil. It’s literally that simple.

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        Britain turned Catholic in 1669 at the hands of King James II. They were always Catholic, yet Anglicanism is basically British Catholicism.

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          So you believe that the Jesuits are secretly coordinating with the Church of England, which is the true political power in Britain?

          This is some fascinating worldbuilding.

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        Those who always downvote me seem to admit that I’ve spoken truth to light.

        Some proof of that is here (Invidious link): https://inv.nadeko.net/@EndTimesDeceptions

        There’s tons of proof this man has, and he even studied the Scriptures for over a decade.

        Edit: Some of the people who downvote me also tend to have demons saying for them to do so as a means of attempting to assert dominance to what could turn out to be a Gamma or a Delta. I’d like to think I’m a Sigma, but I can’t really prove that I am or not.

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          “Everyone who disagrees with me is a demon” is a truly wild take. I ask you to step outside your perspective for a moment and think critically about the circular and recursive nature of your argument.

          If I agree with you, its because youre right.

          If I change my mind, its because youre right.

          If I dont agree with you, its because I’m infected with demons, and youre still right.

          There is no room for discussion here, you are just preaching.

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            Did you not notice my wording? I said some, implying not all of them are demon infested.

            If anything, nice damnation of the source.