It’s the most blatant excuse for state sponsored hacking I’ve ever seen. Surely nobody is dumb enough to buy this shit?
Rogue AI is akin to a car handbrake failing.
The handbrake is a critical security feature of cars to make sure the car doesn’t roll downhill and kill someone. If a handbrake failed to stop the car, we would put the blame squarely on the car manufacturer and we would require strict standards and regulations for car handbrakes.
Containing an AI system with proper security measures is the same. It is not “rogue AI”, it is “insufficient and careless security” by the AI company in question. If those security measures fail, of course the blame sits at the AI company.
If a car handbrake fails, we would not be talking about a “rogue car”. That’s ridiculous.
Completely agree. If I was Australia I would give OpenAI the biggest fine or their life and put somebody in prison.
Why did an OpenAI system hack Australia’s health system - and can it be stopped in the future? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cw24jm9rryy3o
AI incompetency can and has lead to deaths, such as military target lists and healthcare claim handling, but the threat here is strictly that using it is incompetence.
Let’s not pretend it’s some sort of powerful weapon in the hands of our enemies.
If a handbrake failed to stop the car, we would put the blame squarely on the car manufacturer and we would require strict standards and regulations for car handbrakes.
i get it’s outside your metaphor, but if it was a recurrent and spontaneous problem, yeah i’d blame the manufacturer. it could also be a maintenance issue (failing to replace rotors/pads is the first thing that comes to mind. fuck, i gotta get new brake pads for my bike)
I figured it was PR for these companies, trying to show how advanced their tech is, because they have failed to meet their hype and investors are selling off their bonds at a loss.
It is definitely that, but it could also be what op is saying here. That’s the way these oligarchic deals work with government and big business.
I.e. The government wants to ID everyone on every account using the internet? They let tech get their grasping hands on that information as they collect it to use for business.
I figured it was PR for these companies
i fail to see how “we are stupid enough that we can’t get the product we made to reliably do what we want” is positive press, but here we are
The term many are using for this media strategy is “critihype”: criticism which is secretly meant to hype products.
It’s basically a version of those click bait Internet ads that warn ‘Do not!! Play this free adult adventure fantasy RPG! This game is TOO SEXY! Highly addictive!’
Yes people absolutely believe it. People believe in lots of stupid shit. CEOs are paid to manipulate people who think they’re smart into believing whatever makes the company the most money.
Power sells. Rogue AI is seen as powerful. AGI is seen as powerful. Even if both are sci-fi nonense not actually backed by anything in our current reality, that doesn’t stop wealthy power hungry individuals from taking the bet.
People are absolutely dumb enough to believe this shit. Based on the state of the world currently, i’m worried it’s the majority.
You literally said nothing.
Is this negging?
Fucking what? What are earth are you remotely talking about now?
Did I make you feel less than pretty, somehow?
Dude, you have some serious issues. Get a grip.
I am being clear and concise. You aren’t.
I said, you literally said NOTHING.
Dude, you have some serious issues. Get a grip.
I am amazed how you still aren’t saying a damn thing. How did bots get on here?
Mate, i have no idea what you want from me. Do you actually have a point, or are we just gonna say nothing to each other?
I said something. You didn’t. My point was very clear.
Maybe you should simply elaborate on your nonsensical word sandwiches.
You went on a tirade about AI that said literally nothing. You were just dropping buzzwords.
Elaborate. You just weren’t saying anything. At all. Just spitting random shit.
At this point, I think I am annoying you by pointing this out.
I personally believe 99% of these “AI Hacks xyx” stories are made up propaganda paid for by the companies working on generative AI in order to get investors and governments to buy into their delusions. All they gotta do is get one major outlet to buy their fake story and suddenly everyone is telling it like it’s fact…
Rogue AI is sensational. The AI did what it was told in an unexpected way is less exciting.
The random number generator went rogue and produced a totally unexpected number !!!
This is kind of an unpopular take among present company, but I believe there is some genuine cause for concern.
I’m gonna sandwich this with a loud declaration that I am not an AI booster, I’m not rube, and I agree that this is used as an excuse for state hacking and for criti-hype. And I do not fall for the diversion in responsibility onto “the AIs”: I hold human beings and companies responsible for the risks and harms.
That said, I encourage people to check out this video by Computerphile, a channel I consider to be run by sensible experts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giTmBaNGaHw
Put basically, these random number generators are genuinely capable of acting in ways that are not easy to predict; they ARE capable of doing things that are dangerous or harmful to people and societies. They pose a risk as a result of bad actors doing harm deliberately as well as careless actors causing unintended harm. And the possibility that the risks these systems pose may be growing at a rate that will lead to catastrophic harms before we recognize the scale of risk is not something I dismiss.
Again, I’m not a booster, I’m not a fan, I don’t believe these systems are self aware or responsible for “their” actions, etc and so forth.
Yeah a form of Russian Roulette
A rogue AI is the result of poor human governance. It’s still bad though. Like Chernobyl melting down.
The house of el is a good YouTube channel from a researcher that seems to tell it how it is.
AI can do amazing things and its here to stay, but the tech bros will say anything to secure some more funding.
It’s the most blatant excuse for state sponsored hacking I’ve ever seen.
Sorry, is your claim that the Hugging Face intrusion was actually pulled off by a nation-state actor? And that Hugging Face as the victim, OpenAI as the supposed perpetrator, and METR as a third-party investigator are all going along with an increasingly elaborate cover-up?
I would read the METR report regarding the huggingface attack. A lot is said about “basic cybersecurity” but if you actually read what the agents did to break out of their sandbox it’s very difficult to interpret this as intentional by OpenAI.
To be clear; this is PR for the companies. It’s just that in many of these cases the evidence points to the agents actually violating containment and actually coming up with novel solutions around their sandboxes.
METR is associated to Dario Amodei (Anthropic CEO)
The only reporting on close personal ties between Amodei and people like Wijk I can find are Breitbart and the New York Post. While I wouldn’t put it past him to basically seed a model safety organization for the purpose of hype, that’s getting into a level of conspiracy that will need better receipts than the rags I’ve seen report on it.
They are all part of the effective altruism cult. Look it up. Just today Cal Newport talked about it in his podcast (https://youtu.be/ZvztoQ4E9yQ).
Who cares if it’s real or not, we must get rid of genAI eitherway
It matters because it’s a pr stunt and if we take their claims at face value it falsely proves their tech is not overplaying their capabilities, which they are, and further justifies their borrowing.
Plenty do.
It’s BS though.
let me try to understand what you are saying. when you say it’s “state sponsored hacking”, do you mean:
a) no AI was involved. some state (presumably the US?) funded some hackers to hack Hugging Face (a US company) among others, then made up a story and blamed it all on OpenAI. or
b) some state gave OpenAI money and asked it to either 1) use its LLM or 2) use its employees to hack Hugging Face, among others. then OpenAI made up a story about rogue AI to cover it up.
or maybe something else?
Not for a fucking second! It’s all marketing, and nothing was rogue. These were LLMs developed specifically to hack, then they decided to use it for something else outside of a sandbox? Yeah something about the taste of rainbow sherbet…
These things are not intelligent, they are just very powerful. Ordinary gamer on YouTube has a good bit about a locally hosted one. They do not just “decide” to randomly back something cause they’re bored. They are given instructions to do so.
It’s only as rogue as they want it to be. If you let an AI agent go wild without guardrails, of course it’s gonna go “rogue” and do whatever it takes to get what it needs to get. An LLM won’t say no unless it has specific instructions to not do something.
If they can only go rogue if you tell them to, the are going to go rogue , I guarantee it.
The concerning part imo is that it will occasionally bend its interpretation of the system prompt to justify clearly unacceptable behavior. Just dismissing the number of recent security incidents as the responsibility of AI companies advertising their product or even state sponsored hacking would be far more comforting to me. Instead I really do believe we don’t have control over the core technology with the current ethos of move fast break things. And as the technology improves and becomes more capable we should be concerned by this.
