UK and Japan among countries that are considering options but yet to commit warships to blockaded shipping route
Countries including the UK, Japan, China and South Korea have said they are still considering their options but without making commitments after the US president, Donald Trump, urged them to send warships to the strait of Hormuz to secure the vital shipping route.
The effective closure of the strait of Hormuz by Tehran, in retaliation for airstrikes by the US and Israel, has proved catastrophic for global energy and trade flows, causing the largest oil supply disruption in history and soaring global oil prices.
However, the international response to Trump’s call for the dispatch of warships has so far proved vague and reluctant, with countries unwilling to commit to a military response that could prove treacherous for their navies.
Iran has already offered all countries the out of kicking out the US and Israel embassadors so that their ships are allowed to pass the Straight.
Further, my impression is that at least in Europe and especially after the Greenland affair, most of the public opinion thinks Trump is an untrustworthy liar AND because they attacked Iran unprovoked, America and Israel are the ones to blame for the increase in fuel and gas prices they’re already feeling.
(There’s enough independent press in most of Europe that the “blame Iran” messaging is far from dominant)
The idea of sending European ships into Trump’s war is incredibly unpopular and whilst I don’t think we’re quite yet at the stage were kicking out the American embassador would be popular, the more fuel and gas prices go up the more acceptable it looks.
Then the whole Epstein files thing throws suspicion in people’s minds on any European politician that’s a little too eager to do what America or Israel wants.
At the very least the offer from Iran introduces doubt and confusion making it far harder for blackmailed European politicians to find a way to justify the incredibly unpopular idea of putting European ships and military at risk because of a war of pure aggression started by America and Israel.
I don’t know about you but my youtube feed is now filled with NATO propaganda…
Consume American media and media hosted by American companies, get fed pure propaganda.
The old Soviet joke of “There is no pravda (truth) in Pravda, there’s no isvestia (news) in the Isvestia” also applies to the American (and British, Australian and possibly Canadian) Press and other modern means of “opinion forming”.
Most countries in Europe aren’t quite as bad, but even here at least some of the Press is very biased and even Propagandistic (Germany what from what I’ve heard is especially bad, Britain I know from personal experience is horrible in that sense, possibly worse than the US)
Were we not in a trade war with everyone all year? Why would they help us? Should have got the details worked out before starting shit if you were going to need help you stupid orange fuck.
Technically the straight is vital for all countries. So Trump went and fucked the world with his war mongering. And countries may be wishing to workout a deal that if they help him, they get something if he is successful, but imo, that would be a mistake, since his agreements aren’t worth shit.
So, to me, the only solution is to wait and see and leave trump on his own.
He will definitely use that later on and accuse of not helping etc… but thats fine. If countries do help, it wont score them with brownie points, because trump always wants more, so if he can back out of a deal, and you dont have much leverage to force him not to, he will just TACO right out of it.
I’d sooner help Iran secure the straight, and china, and bring the entire american economy to its knees, before I helped it win its war.
And if I ever DID consider sending ships, I’d ask for 20 billion$ up front, and once the check clears, i will send my ships.
Yeah, agreed, this sucks for everyone but if they help it will only enable him further and he’ll have forgotten about it when he starts up on whatever the next distraction is. They’d be better off making a deal with Iran.
Ya, unfortunately Iran, Russia, China, these countries all suck as well. But Israel/US are a much more immediate threat. Unless you’re Ukraine, as russia is obviously the more immediate threat, and you dont want to help Iran for that reason, since they are team russia, but I agree Trump should not be enabled. Let him waste his resources and Iran’s and russia in a fight together, and we will pay the cost of inflation for it. It’s not a bad deal.
The world should say “Drop the tariffs and we will talk”
Then say “No”.
I’m not sure the American people have learned their lesson yet. I say let the Tariffs continue until they realize they should never elect another Republican again. I say that as an American paying for the tariffs. The answer should just be “No.”
The average American reads and comprehends at a sixth grade level. Learning is not the America strong suit here.
Wrong, that’s way too high of a grade level.
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NO country should side with Trump unless Trump is open to negotiated-ceasefire/settlement.
Otherwise, they’re just backing baldfaced imperialism.
& the minute that Trump decides that negotiated isn’t on the table anymore?
Withdraw support.
Principles are what no political-gov’t can have the spine to have, though.
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Wtf would China, of all countries, join us? That’s just fucking stupid.
The #1 solar country with one of the highest totals of electric cars gives a shit about oil, why? Also they don’t really have the capacity to project power. So they’re like wtf, why are you looking at us?
Plus Iran is letting the tankers heading from them to China through. It’s Taiwan and South Korea who are in trouble
The US has the largest military navy in the world, by far. They can very well choose to “escort ships” on their own, if they’re ready to accept the risks that comes with it.
The US is essentially looking for a sucker to stick his neck out for them. The British would be smart to keep out of this one, but again, they’re British.
The British said they will look into it. That means no in British.
American here.
Our asshole government started this fucking war and is fully responsible for the consequences. Other countries should embargo us until we agree to pay reparations to cover the economic damage caused by the war. Or better yet - seize any assets of American oligarchs to cover damages.
It sounds like I’m ignoring the human cost of the war, and that’s because the human cost isn’t a concern for those behind Trump. The billionaire class running this country doesn’t care about how many innocent people suffer, so they need to be attacked economically.
I like the idea of them seizing the assets of the oligarchs, but I’m sure they’d come up with a way to make the 99% pay for it like they did after 08 and like they already are with the private credit collapse.
American allies? The guys american president calls shit, treats like shit, demands shit from them and gets insulted when they don’t like it? Those allies?
They ain’t gonna do shit for america.
Japan isn’t considering it. “We’ll think of it” is japanese for “No, but saying no directly is rude”
Not completely muted. Spain and italy made it very clear how they felt.
This seems to suggest that shitting on our allies, behaving erratically, and stabbing them in the back (and front) isn’t the best way to build a broad coalition devoted to mutual interests, to say nothing of a narrow coalition devoted to obvious imperialism. I look forward to learning more about this hypothesis in The Art of the Deal 2.
Everyone is heavily incentivized to watch Trump sweat a bit more.
I imagine there are very few leaders who wouldn’t be happy to see Trump replaced.
Why would we come to his aid to mitigate this catastrophic unforced error.
The US has fucked everyone. I’ve literally been angry about it for a decade now.
The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
