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    4 days ago

    Don’t know the exact context to this story because it just popped up on my feed, but it reminds me of a Chomsky interview about his book “Manufacturing concent”. The book deals with the western media and how it controls conversations by setting the overton window.

    ​Andrew Marr: How can you know that I’m self-censoring? How can you know that journalists are…

    ​Noam Chomsky: I’m not saying you’re self-censoring. I’m sure you believe everything you’re saying. But what I’m saying is that if you believed something different, you wouldn’t be sitting where you’re sitting.

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      Noam Chomsky should be dug up and thrown into the sea, what a fucking Asshole and a prime example that america was never the good guys

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        I mean the US not being the good guy was the distillation of his message.

        Another person spoke about his Epstein connection which has come out recently, which is a huge disappointment. All I can say is that like 15 years ago, people like him, Norm Finkelstein and Chris Hedges helped to plant me on the left. Finding out about Epstein has been difficult to understand given his work and the effect it had on me.

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          Noam Chomsky is an asshole for many reason aside from this one quote, look im sorry but i have no idea how you didn’t notice his awful behaviors, this post only scratches the surface, he guided people but if you look deeper you realize its just a superficial cover for awful action and self-interest, its actually surprisingly similar to what Charley Kerk was doing only his speech being con coded to push fascist ideas instead and well… he didn’t get as far as Noam. you not noticing until only recently really shows how easy it is to trick large groups of people, its an aspect of us that has always bothered me.

          Epstine has proven the upper crust is comprised of evil people, they cant deny that anymore. gonna be honest, don’t have heros, be a hero you wish to see in others, good luck fam.

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            There are plenty of good arguments against chomsky, but they sure as hell aren’t coming from r/neoliberal

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      Isn’t that the guy who was giving Epstein advice on dealing with his reputation as a sex offender?

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        Yeah, I honestly don’t know what to make of that, it’s personally a real letdown as Chomsky’s power came from truth telling and moral clarity, and then he hangs out with that fucking pedo. I’m not sure what he was accused of specifically. I thought it was that he had dinners with Epstein. I hadn’t heard he advised him. That’d be next level bad.

        However, I don’t think that changes his analysis. Either it’s valid or not.

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          He exchanged emails in 2019, advising Epstein on how to rebuild his reputation and lementing how hysterical people are about abuse of women.

          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce9ykjlyv50o

          This is after his 2008 conviction for soliciting a minor as part of his plea deal to avoid going to trial where the prosecution had identified 36 victims between the ages of 14 and 17.

          So I guess Chomsky’s well honed epistemology wasn’t able to detect a pattern here, or his moral clarity is worth spit. I’m fine with either because I think he’s correct about 70% of the time, and a populist grifter for the rest.

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        Imagine if all the physics Hawking wrote became invalid because he knew a sex trafficker. Why even bring that up.

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          It isn’t just that he “knew” a sex trafficker, it’s that he tried to help a sex trafficker white-wash his reputation for sex trafficking. It’s not guilt by association, it’s guilt by his specific actions.

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            I ask you again, of what relevance is that to the topic being discussed? The obvious relevance seems to be that it is a blatant ad hominem. I don’t care if Chompsky is a boy scout or a boy scout rapist, in the context of evaluating his arguments.

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              I don’t care about any of that, I’m sure Chomsky’s takes suck as well, but my point is that he sucks and you’re trying to minimise what he actually did with a half-baked analogue.

              If you really want my opinion on what he said in the original comment then sure, I think it’s misguided in the age of the internet where the overton window covers all sorts of extreme views to suggest censorship is a pervasive issue. It wouldn’t surprise me if the story of this journalist getting fired got far wider coverage than any of the pieces that got her fired. Even in the quote it’s dubious because Chomsky is apparently sitting right next to the person he implies wouldn’t be there if he had Chomsky’s beliefs.

              But again, I don’t want to waste time debating the articulations of a faux-dissident loser like Chomsky because he’s just a mouthpiece for common truisms you can find around ever corner being peddled by people who don’t have the same reputation of being an asshat. Like, I’m sure those people would also be brainrotted populist freaks, but at least I wouldn’t be dunking on them for being pedo defenders.

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        I mean with Ford you really don’t have to investigate hard to find he’s corrupted. Look at the whole science center crap, the green belt, ontario place, etc, etc, etc. guy owes “favours” to just about every mob family in the province/country.

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          I agree, but you have to investigate a little at least

          Perhaps (hopefully) that is happening behind the scenes and they will swoop in and arrest him…

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      USED jet, CHEAPER than Quebec’s!!!1!!

      Detracting from that nothing burger and shaking chains could be what did it. 4 billion doesn’t go missing without a corp benefiting.

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    The fact that anyone elected this guy after the travesty that was his crack smoking shitter of a brother is insa-… Oh right… We re-elected Trump… My bad, Toronto… Carry on and good luck.

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      Ironicly his brother, doge, was way better respected by people here then Rob ever was.

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    This is not mentioned once in this article, and the post title is not the articles headline.

    Did you link the wrong article?

    Also did literally no one in here read it?

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    Is it actually missing or was it just transferred from Covid relief to the project fund? Now the administration of the project fund has had it’s own issues that need better control.