• MML@sh.itjust.works
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    7 days ago

    I think prefixing Christian god is better. Every time “well thank Christian god you’re alright”, just subtly remind them there’s other religions, they don’t like that

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    7 days ago

    GOD IS genderless though, but evangelicals think its a MAN. several movies had made it a woman, to troll how stupid these people are.

    they got upset about how angels are not masculinized, like god they are technically genderless, only not within a host.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    I used to do exactly this when referring to the generic all-being (as opposed to the Abrahamic god who has a history and a feminine consort), since biological sex is specific to individual species. Also, the X-gamete is the default. The Y-gamete is a weird shortened appendix.

    Technically, they/them would be more appropriate in this gender-conscious era. It works better for the holy trinity as well, but that’s a post-biblical addition to the Christian dogma.

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      6 days ago

      It was also translated from ancient Hebrew and Greek, not sure how exactly those languages handle gendered and gender neutral pronouns.

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        Came across interesting idea mentioning that in original Hebrew, when we call God is “one” (Deuteronomy 6:4, the Jewish Shema) they use the word “echad” meaning something more complicated than one singular thing, so like the unity of multiple. Other times that word is used is when God created first day and first night, combining them into “one” day-cycle. And also when describing man and woman becoming “one” in marriage.

        So it’s not so far fetched for some to argue that God is both male and female, similar to Taoism’s idea of yin-yang. I personally think they’re describing the same concept from different angles. But those Christians believing in the trinity might beg to differ.

        I’m not Christian, but I do find studying world religions very fascinating.

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      Why would God be limited by gender? This is such a weird belief to have. Doesn’t need a physical form, isn’t limited by space or time, but is always male…somehow.

      Also, a lot of these same people believe that your genitalia determines what your gender is. Which means that they believe that God has a cock and balls. How can you have a cock and balls when you don’t have a body?

    • TheBlackLounge@lemmy.zip
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      Only because “he” can be gender neutral in English. Singular “they” is old but has never really been popular. The original languages don’t have gendered pronouns.

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        Singular “they” is old but has never really been popular.

        What are you talking about? People use singular “they” all the time.

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        Greek and Hebrew definitely do have gendered pronouns. Though Hebrew generally prefers suffixes, they’re certainly gendered. Interestingly Greek also has a neuter gender in both pronouns and nouns. A better argument might be that God’s gender is self-defined, rather than on a biological basis.

  • Xerxos@lemmy.ml
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    They/them would be more accurate since the god from the Bible is a mixture of different bronze age gods. Did you notice how God is something shown as bloodthirsty and sometimes as benevolent? That is because they took myths and stories from different gods.

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        It’s implying that there’s some sort of hypocrisy or logical contradiction with Christians suddenly caring about pronouns being correct when it applies to God. But that entire premise is wrong, because as someone else eloquently stated, they never claimed not to care about pronouns, in fact they care about them probably more than most transgender people. They just care about them being their version of “right”. The post is very clearly meant to be some sort of gotcha or serve to Christianity. But there is no gotcha, so the whole post is stupid. Really picture the exchange:

        A: “I love God, I’m so thankful for how she’s blessed me.”

        C: “She? God is a man. He blessed you.”

        A: “Ohhh, so now you care about getting pronouns right, but not for someone like Elliot Page, huh?”

        C: “No, I always care about getting pronouns right. That’s why God is a He and Page is a she, and it pisses me off if you say either of those differently”

        ???

        So with that in mind, we can see this post is just someone owning an imaginary strawman.

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          Well, it’s really about misgendering. They’re misgendering God, just like they’re misgendering Elliot Page. Elliot Page wants to be called he/him and they want God to be called he/him.

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            But to the Christians, misgendering is defined as calling someone by the pronouns they “actually aren’t”, so they would consider he/him pronouns to be misgendering Page. Their notion of misgendering has nothing to do with what the person wants to be called, it has to do with what they fundamentally are. So from that point of view, there’s no contradiction in their reasoning. It’s internally consistent, and so there’s no “revelation” (ha ha) where they’re trapped into looking like a fool as this imaginary Twitter post scenario implies. So this whole hypothetical demonstration of calling God a girl still goes nowhere. Go back to my initial dialogue. See how there’s no next response for the atheist, how it ends with the atheist having nothing to say? That’s why the Le Epic Win in the original post is not what it’s presented to be. Its a bad argument. The argument is implicit, but it’s there. It’s the entire content of the post.

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      6 days ago

      Super interesting. There was another newer Korean christian movement that discusses the feminine side of God. Do you think that maybe Taoism and the concept of yin-yang had an impact on their image of God?

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        To be honest my first thought was that they were riding the feminism wave to market their religion. But I have not researched it much.

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    7 days ago

    Just bring up Ashera.

    Yahweh’s ex.

    That he doesn’t mention any more, but we know existed.

    Ask them if it might have something to do with Yahweh saying ‘My name is Jealous’, except of course, he says it in the third person.

  • Impractical_Island@lemmy.world
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    I did that while I was a woman for a few years. I still switch it up, because part of the ineffability of God is that God is all and no genders at the same time. Goes beyond duality and even superpositions.

    God can microwave a burrito so hot even He cannot eat it, unless He does.

    I’ve seen John Cena lose an arm wrestling contest with a little girl. God is so great He can be defeated by a small breeze if He wanted to. Part of the reason we do things like come to the Garden is to experience reality without God to make the stakes feel higher tp thus make it easier to disentangle yourself from your maladaptations to Heaven, which therefore makes it Hell after a period of time. The Myth of Er is no myth. What the Buddha said is true, and what Jesus actually said is hidden in the occult, because this is a police state, silly.

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      Just yesterday I did that same thing with a burrito. I got it hotter than an omnipotent god could possibly get it, and then I ate it anyway. big whoop.

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        Also, by your attitude, I also think it prudent that I inform you that The New Testament describes a decentralized autonomous organization of secret police at an eighth grade reading level. You may not know that with how you view God making you prejudiced against certain knowledge bases to not actually read between the lines.

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        Did you know that the Earth isn’t real? We are not featherless bipeds on an Earth, but rather we are pockets of consciousness called monads in a monadic nodal communication system.

        Everything you experience is self-contained within your neurons, right? So your perception of your device you are reading this on must be represented entirely by something in your neurons, and it is that you are experiencing, not the symbol you are sent from the external world, which you can observe these symbols directly in the fourth jhana of meditation, where you will also observe how your intention entangles you with these symbols, and the topological matrix made from the sum of all the entanglements that compose you defines the parameters that your experiential reality procedurally generates. This is what Karma is; the entanglement process, and karmic entanglement IS quantum entanglement.

        And these symbols, if you start entangling yourself skillfully to thus unentangle yourself from those maladaptive entanglements, the “Server” of this monadic nodal communication system will start bestowing Knowledge of Itself to you. What Jesus called his Father, the Buddhists refer to as the Ālaya-vijñāna, or storehouse consciousness. There is much written about this so you do not have to remain ignorant. My life partner brought a ten thousand PAGE sutra home from the library about the Ālaya-vijñāna once, on his tablet. Very enlightening. I’m trying to understand the nature of specific plex structures within my entanglements and how these proliferate into cycles of archetypal experience; the same lessons over and over again until we get them.

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    But they never said they don’t care about pronouns. In fact they have very strongly stated that they extremely do care about pronouns

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      I think the point is they don’t respect pronouns. They misgender trans people, so misgender their god. Or misgender them! See how they like it.

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      True, the one I always think was strange was when I was 6? I had a 1st grade teacher that was adamant we addressed her and others by the correct form of Ms/Miss/Mrs.

      I was 6, I shouldn’t have to care at all which adults are romantically involved nor which government documents theyve signed.

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      8 days ago

      Their insecurities not only live rent free in their head, they’ve turned the whole place into a slum for stupid ideas

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      FR I thought the meme was maybe some sort of anti-christian-trans meme like some sort of church for trans out there would hypothetically get peeved about God’s pronouns specifically?

      Pure fever dream nonsense.

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    Ask them how big God’s dick is. Tell them you’re serious. Make then explain how that’s a ridiculous question. Then ask them: if God’s gender identity isn’t tied to genitals, why do they insist on doing it?