Biometrics, I already do, via my passport. Digital passports, maybe. I don’t have a smartphone, so if the government wants me to have one for all kinds of digital shit, they’d better get me one.
everywhere i travel does this now, often along with fingerprints etc
Am already in a few systems. I think when I have to start handing over unlocked devices I have issues.
As a valid work visa holder in multiple countries, they already have my biometrics as they were a part of the visa process. Having the same data in my passport just speeds things up.
As long as I can enter/exit without showing more than my passport, I’m OK with it. My JD Vance memes stay locked the fuck down.
Biometrics are already forced, unfortunately. No idea what “digital passports” are. What are they?
I just wish we got rid of passports altogether. Borders are dumb, IMO.
Borders are dumb, IMO.
How would you better define and manage the different zones of consolidated, shared resource management and ensure no fair-weather cheats skim benefits from each instead of committed to one and paying their part? No no, I’m curious.
Digital passports would be like forcing you to download an app on your phone because they wanna “save paper” or something…
would just travel with a burner
What’s this “still do traveling”?
I’ve never been able to afford to travel, so in that regard nothing will change.
But, living off-grid as much as possible sounds appealing. I don’t know about the reality, though. Ironically, being an introvert would make it harder to live off-grid, methinks.
Inb4 they start doing internal checkpoints…
ahem China ahem
(You have to present your ID before being able to purchase long distance train tickets…)
that’s a throwback to peasants needing travel papers to leave the lands of their lords. good to see china has come so far from their imperial roots.
No permission to go to public school in Guangzhou even though me and my older brother were born in Guangzhou and grew up native Bilingual Cantonese & Mandarin… :(
I cant even call myself a 广州人 (Guangzhou-er) since I never got Guangzhou Hukou…
It’s somehow easier to get American Citizenship than a Guangzhou Hukou… lmfao wtf
Well, I suppose if they put a checkpoint between here and the grocery store…
I haven’t been more than 30 miles from my house in 15 years. I’d love to, but I can’t really.
Travel does not have to involve lots of money. I live 9 km from the French border and 25 km from the Swiss border. Travelling there costs me the price of a train ticket.
I take my biometric passport with me, of course.
I can’t really afford international travel right now, but I’d tolerate a good bit of security fuckery. I don’t really care if some foreign government has my biometric data if I can get in and get out smoothly.
Japan has required fingerprints and photo for at least a decade now. Korea required the same when I was recently there.
Yeah, part of me is like “the government can’t have my fingerprints” but I work a job that requires criminal background checks so I’ve been fingerprinted and run through police and FBI databases more times than I can honestly remember… They’ve got my fingerprints. They all have my fingerprints. It’s a little late to start worrying about it.
You know there is a lot of options between travelling to other countries and going off-grid?
Don’t you know? This is Lemmy, here either you support the militant revolution, or you are a fascist, there’s no in-between.
My government already has my biometric data and im not shocked or upset that they do. I fully expect my government to keep a record of all its citizens.
When i travel i dont mind other countries verifying my identity and my preference is for it be digital and fast.
I dont expect my privacy to include hiding who i am from my own government and a foreign government when im traveling to their country thats absurd.
I fully expect my government to keep a record of all its citizens.
they don’t reasonably need biometric data to keep a record. they do need it, that’s not what I dispute, but not reasonably.
If you needed to do an automated check of a persons identity doesnt it make sense to do an id check + biometric check? Thats what happens at the traditional airport gates except its a person looking at your passport and looking at your face.
exactly, it does not need to be automated, and then less info is required.
Automation in these areas often increases the amount of collected information by a lot.
Have you ever traveled internationally? They know who you are. You are not anonymously entering another country through an international airport. Whether its going through an automated check in process or going through a manual one they know who you are and they have a record of what you look like, fingerprint, name, passport number credit card and probably other stuff im forgetting.
What are you actually preserving by avoiding having your face scanned? This is such a weird privacy take.
you are missing the point.
It’s fine that a border guard checks my passport and lets me to go my way. who cares. It’s reasonable, and I believe that it’s for our safety. but automated checks do more: they log the exact times you crossed the border, store it for decades. all the unnecessary data will most likely leak or be used for nefarious purposes at some point.
its like forced digital passes on public transport. when the driver checks your passes, no private info about my traveling/commuting habits is collected. but when passes need to be scanned, it is: gov id, time, location, stop number, line number. the public transport company really has no business in knowing when do I go to work, when do I head home, or when do I start using a different stop regularly, as it reveals so many other things about you, like whether you do anything in the city after work and how frequent is that.
I travel over the border much less, but my point stands.
What are you actually preserving by avoiding having your face scanned?
in addition to the above, by having fewer face scans uploaded to the system, I expect the surveillance cameras on the streets to do a worse job on facial recognition even when I’m just going about my day in my home country.
No im not missing the point you just arent understanding the process before digital and after.
The border guard doesnt just check you passport and move you along. They document your arrival and store it. They usually photocopy your passport and take a finger print. You have to register and provide a ton of info when traveling to another country it was never a private matter.
it never occurred to me that they have taken fingerprints when crossing borders to exit the EU
They are already everywhere. Quick, you need to go off grid ASAP, or at least offline just in case.
Use meshcore
I’m not going to be traveling again. And if birthright citizenship is revoked, I’ll end up stateless.
Apparantly the executive order is not retroactive so if you were born before January 20, 2025, you’re fine… (Unless donnie gets mad again and signs another executive order, then you’re fucked)
I might have to renounce due to a feeling of decency, tbh. And there’s no country on earth except maybe Liberaland or Sealand I’m okay with.
A Citizen of the US is supposed to be loyal to the principles of the Constitution, not the President.
You can be a moral person while remaining a Citizen of the US.
