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    6 days ago

    that number is actually shockingly low.

    what do you mean 49% of canadians want cubans to starve to death? this shit is horrible.

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      Major roadblocks to empathy are:

      1. Poverty
      2. Lack of education
      3. Fear

      Unfortunately all are things politicians (especially from certain parties) are prone to intentionally exacerbating.
      Not without coincidence, these things are also major roadblocks for ditching religion.

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        I think that’s correct, it’s hard to empathize on an empty belly and rent due in a week. Number 2 leads to 1 in many cases because we have a bizarre society. 3 comes from perpetual 1 and 2.

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      Many people are struggling and “sending money overseas” has been pointed out as a main culprit (despite it being a minor contributor compared to so many other factors)

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      There’s a variety of other reasons possible, given that withholding aid doesn’t mean every Cuban starves, or even that many more. It will worsen conditions, but that’s a pretty typical tactic to put pressure on a government.

      People who think the Cuban government is great are a tiny minority.

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        many cubans are already starving regardless of canadian’s pretty little feelings about their government. withholding aid is just cruel.

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          Eh. Sudan needs it way more. And probably still Gaza, even though the media has moved on.

          Regardless of your “pretty little feelings” about Cuba.

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            canada is rich and influential enough to substantially help all three, if they really wanted to.

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        It will worsen conditions, but that’s a pretty typical tactic to put pressure

        It’s only “typical” by western nations. The US explicitly started the blockade over half a century ago with the following justification:

        “to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government”. Literally, google that sentence.

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          There’s written examples of sanctions being put in place literally before the West existed.

          In recent history, it’s mostly the West, because other factions are too weak and isolated to attempt it. Not because they’re stupid, like you’re suggesting.

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            Please explain to me how weak and isolated China is, the producer of half the industrial products of the world. Please explain to me how isolated and weak the Eastern Block was in the previous century as the second world power.

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              China, weak:

              It is an important 1/6, though, and they have tried to coerce policy changes with trade threats a bit. If you live here, you know we’ve gotten a few rounds of it.

              Isolated, in the sense when they do something like that, other countries voluntarily going along with it isn’t even a question (the whole “only Han Chinese are people” thing kills earnest cooperation). Except maybe North Korea, although they ~only trade with China anyway.

              Which dovetails into the next thing. Comecon was based in Europe, but if you’re not counting it as part of the historical West, I revise that to “the Eastern bloc did much more coercive trade policy than the West”. Since they didn’t trade freely with the greater world at all, it was strictly conditional and on a case-by-case basis.

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                GDP in USD is a bad metric, try GDP PPP.

                they have tried to coerce policy changes with trade threats a bit. If you live here, you know we’ve gotten a few rounds of it.

                Responding to US sanctions tit for tat is not equivalent to China starving other nations to enact regime change, are you arguing in bad faith or do you truly believe those two are comparable?

                only Han Chinese are people

                What on holy Earth are you talking about? You live in the worldwide capital of Atlantic trade slavery and you believe China is more racist than you somehow? 1 in 4 black men in the US are put in jail at some point in their lives, you’re literally accusing China of things that are only true in the US lmao, nice projection

                “the Eastern bloc did much more coercive trade policy than the West”. Since they didn’t trade freely with the greater world at all

                And didn’t enact international blockades such as the one the US is enacting on Cuba or like US+UK enacted in 1950s Iran to destroy the economy and remove the democratically elected president Mosaddeq.

                Your argument is so incredibly flawed that you’re having to conflate “China responded to US sanctions tit for tat” and “the Eastern Block was mostly self-sufficient” with “the US forces international embargos on other countries with the explicit purpose of starving the population to push for regime change”. You are literally seeing in real time how Gazans are fucking starved by the US-supported siege of their population which blocks aid and food from entering (let alone trade) and you feel compelled to defend the genocidal USA anyway

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                  You live in the worldwide capital of Atlantic trade slavery and you believe China is more racist than you somehow?

                  Well, typical American, assumes everyone is also American, even literally on [email protected] with a user called CanadaPlus. Black slavery was never a major part of our economy.

                  Your ilk claims to be anti-American, but somehow you’re overwhelmingly American, mostly white and actual third world people think you’re goofs. Basically, go home yank, and take your conspiracy theories with you.

                  GDP in USD is a bad metric, try GDP PPP.

                  Most of what you wrote needs no debunking, but I will address this for anyone reading. That’s based on a goods basket of some kind, and usually meant to represent household spending (although if you’ve actually been to a poor country, you can see it still misses the mark of actual lifestyles).

                  For broader economic power, real dollars (or renminbi or pesos or whatever unit you like) is best. Because that’s what you actually trade with.

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                    I’m literally a Spaniard, not a Yank… Oh, sorry, you’re from North American Country #2 in genociding native populations, not from #1, my bad!

                    Great job disregarding the difference between economic sanctions meant to starve people with the explicit purpose of regime change vs. lack of trade in general due to self reliance or response to US sanctions. You’re illiterate.

                    For broader economic power, real dollars (or renminbi or pesos or whatever unit you like) is best

                    For broader economic power you could measure actual industrial output: tons of iron, amount of ships built, energy consumed, any actual metric and not an arbitrary accounting unit. China’s central bank artificially devalues its currency in the international market to boost exports and productive capabilities, if you knew literally anything about economics you’d be aware of how this impacts GDP measurements in dollars.