Viral infections are cured by eradicating them entirely or to undetectable levels. “Humanity is a virus” is not a condemnation of overpopulation but of humanity. Genocide would be inadequate to “cure” the planet of a “human infection”: only speciescide would suffice.

Lemmy has an odd fixation on ecofascism when that’s not implied. No form of government is suggested with the eradication of all humanity, only the absence of any. Any anti-anthropocentrism such as ecocentrism or a morality generalized beyond human welfare is capable of accounting for such thought.

People here tend to fixate on their pet theories that scapegoat capitalism for everything including that humanity’s drain on ecological resources exceeds Earth’s rate of regeneration without acknowledging that their alternatives don’t address the problem, either.

Although governments are far more able than individuals and firms acting singly to take action to protect the environment, they often fail to do so. The centrally planned economies of Eastern Europe, where governments controlled production, had a particularly poor record on pollution control. Per capita mortality from air pollution in Eastern Europe (outside the EU) and China remains high relative to the EU and North America.

In particular, the Soviet economy—with constitutional guarantees to continuously improve living standards & steadily grow productive forces—caused disproportionately worse ecological damage than the US’s. All economic systems have the same capacity to degrade the environment & deplete stocks of natural resources. Without adequate policies to protect the environment, improving & maintaining living standards with the continuous economic growth necessary to do that threatens the environment.

Moreover, human activity before capitalism has led to extinctions of megafauna, plants, & animals dependent on those plants. The quaternary megafauna extinction was likely driven by overhunting by humans. Those extinctions & increased fires coinciding with the arrival of humanity to Australia transformed the ecosystem from mixed rainforest to drier landscapes. Aboriginal landscape burning

may have caused the extinction of some fire-sensitive species of plants and animals dependent upon infrequently burnt habitats

More recently, they killed off the elephant bird likely due to major environmental alterations & overconsumption of their eggs.

As long as people prioritize anthropocentric concerns without considering the environment, I find it an expedient starting point to remind them that exterminating all of humanity will end humanity’s concerns, too, while saving the planet from them. It’s a rhetorical move to stimulate more practical discussion. Around here, though, they never seem to get past that starting point, but instead protract in their useless debates over economic/political systems.

Although I dont disagree, the argument doesn’t make sense. Do you think our worlds population would be the same if we all lived like indigenous people?

This reeks of the “noble savage” stereotype. I would be willing to bet 80% of biodiversity being in native lands has more to do with how brutally they’ve been repressed than how “in tune” with the environment they are.

They’re people too, and I see little reason to believe they wouldn’t fall to the same human flaws as the rest of us if given the chance.

I watched a documentary in New Zealand about fish stocks. It was talking about how the fish around New Zealand are overfished and numbers are low. Had experts talking about issues with boats and how they need no fishing areas. They had Maori on there talking about how much abundance of fish there was before the white people came. They talked about how in tune the Maori were with the land and had ways to manage stock.

The documentary finished saying the issue is still ongoing and not enough has been done. Didn’t really go into why.

Well I looked it up after the majority of fishing companies are owned by the Maori and the reason the scientifically justified areas were not set as a sanctuary was because the Maori didnt agree and wanted to do things there own way that would allow them to fish at levels higher than what the science was saying is possible. On this matter New Zealand cared more about what Maori incorrectly believed over what the scientific evidence was saying to them.

People need to get off their high horse. People suck all over the world. Yea shock the people that live in mountains which remain untouched because it is shit farmland is going to have the most nature. But go to other countries and you see it’s the same, well worse than white countries. Places like UK has had protected land for hundreds of years. They set up protected land in the new places they went. Areas they left like Malaysia and India are full of rubbish and monoculture. They didn’t get better. Go to Indonesia and look at their beautiful islands. The tour guide said to us “look no littering sign. Only in Indonesian. Westerners don’t litter but the locals do”.

Nihilists should lead by example and remove themselves first.

Sounds like shrinking the population would solve the problem, as long as it’s a very specific 10% that was shrunk.

I’m tired of people pretending they are smart and problem solving by by mass murdering most humans on the planet and stopping procreation.

You don’t solve a jigsaw puzzle by putting 10 pieces together and burning the rest so you dont have to deal with them.

I’m not sure this person is aware what indigenous means. Unless, of course this meme is a 100% America-centric meme and largely ignores the entire rest of the world.

Also pretty funny that “eco fascism” is placed underneath what I assume are native Americans.

Your meme has too many words and the four block structure makes no sense.

Thanks for the good vibes, they’d also love this over on [email protected]

We aren’t saying that brown people are above tech and modernities and that’s why they don’t have them… are we? Surely not.

Ecofascism isn’t a real ideology I don’t know why people keep insisting it is. Almost seems like a deliberate psy-op to create divisions among environmentalists. But more likely people are just stupid and afraid and angry.

amazon, many rainforests(both amazon and mega-biodiversity of indonesia, south eas asia) is being decimated and untold species both undiscovered and rares are fast disappearing.

There is a point burried in there that is drowned out by all the fallacious added baggage. Its disingenuous bullshit.

Indigenous Chinese or Indians or Nigerians are not protectors of the earth, just like every other industrial nation. The picture meant to frame “Indigenous” as what Canada calls the indigenous First Nations peoples. It’s relying on the racist trope of the noble savage, forgetting that First Nations aren’t against industrializing their lands, as long as they are included as partner beneficiaries and they don’t maximize returns via egregious environmental destruction on their lands. They also generally want industrialization and trade including water treatment, sanitation and all the other goodies like internet, tv, playstations and the like.

It also targets “capitalist” without looking at the eco-horrors of every other 'ism on earth. Go have a cool tall glass of Ganges, Nile or Yellow river water and tell me how refreshing it is.

This is a shitpost carefully designed to be a lopsided attack.