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The funny thing, the truly funny thing, Is that many people reading this will assume their assumptions about nutrition are fact based and everybody else’s is pseudoscience. Examining the data on your own biases is critical for any standing in science.
what’s a common assumption about nutrition that’s not true?
Its less commonly assumed now, but “eating fatty foods makes you fat” is really not true. The “fat free” food craze of the 90s-mid 00s took the fat out of everything and added sugar to make it taste good again. And everyone got fatter. Exactly as the sugar industry planned.
That you need fibre; that you need carbohydrates
Neither are true, both will be told to you by doctors
i think I’ll listen to doctors
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Nah bro I’m a Paleolithic human so I eat my burger without a bun.
You still cooking your patties? Amateur. 🥱
Someone has to repackage the low carb diet in a new way every decade.
This is why I macrodose botox, which is grounded in real science, and proven to actually be fatal.
Sounds like somebody isn’t retaining his semen
Oh how I hate the whole idea of detox and clean as it relates to nutrition. I worked at a health food store when I was young and while there was good nutritious food there, plenty of good people, the whole idea of ‘clean’ comes from a very dark place. I remember the raw foods guys and the idea of breathetarians. Like the less physical and embodied you were, the better person you were, enlightened. The idea of the physical world being unclean and something you should try to be free of, I hate it.
It really is more of a religious idea than anything to do with physical health. I think you have to enjoy being embodied, love the physical plane of existence, to have a healthy body. Not perfect.
I read a thing recently that argued that “purity” is one of the most distinctive thematic motifs in fascistic thinking, and examined how that is a means by which people can slide into right wing ideologies from an initially left wing position.
It was striking because it made it clock for me why there seems to be a “crunchy eco-leftist turns right wing” pipeline. To attempt to summarise some of the article and my own thoughts following it: A purity oriented framework of health situates “toxins” and the like as the Big Bad Other. Many of us are aware of how dangerous the notion of a Big Bad Other is if we’re thinking about people, but it can creep up with us in contexts like this because it doesn’t seem harmful initially. However, by thinking about health in this way, we train ourselves to think in terms of the Big Bad Other, and condition ourselves towards thinking about things in a black and white manner.
I worked at a vitamin store chain owned by the parents of a college friend of mine (who is now worth $34 million lol - that chain has turned into a miniature Whole Foods) for a few months. I remember one customer came in because she was going through a divorce, and the cashier said “oh, you need St. John’s Wort for that”. Nobody there thought this was unusual in any way.
Also knew a guy in college who claimed to be a Breathitarian. We caught him at the Ponderosa steak house in the next town over one night.
I remember one customer came in because she was going through a divorce, and the cashier said “oh, you need St. John’s Wort for that”.
Capitalist witch woman gives antidepressants
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There are bio-accumulative toxins that really do get stuck in your body. Lead is a good example. Not that the supposed cures being peddled by these people can actually do anything about those.
Also, for the normal kind of toxin, the biggest factor keeping the levels in your body high is continued intake. Reducing that totally makes sense. However, you need to first have a real, based on science, understanding of what those toxins are in the first place and not just randomly blame junk food or 5G radiation, and it needs to be a permanent life style change. A two week “cleanse” does nothing. A juice will not detoxify you. (Depending on the juice, especially how filtered and how sugary it is, it may be healthy for other reasons. Standard orange juice is not, it’s way too sugary.)
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There are bioaccumulative toxins, but nothing over the counter sold in a plastic tub by some guy in a tank top will get rid of them. And some, like lead, have symptoms that are not reversible. Lead poisoning is a lifelong condition. So a magical “detoxifying” shoe insole or smoothie additive isn’t going to do much. I think @[email protected] 's point remains that any toxins that stay in the body are either gone for good after a short time, or there to stay.
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Chelators are sold over the counter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelation_therapy
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-best-way-to-detox-from-heavy-metals/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen
Wouldn’t the only really possible “cleanse” be something like water fasting or similar since you wouldn’t be taking in more of the so-called “toxins” (well I guess it does technically exist like alcohol but that gets metabolized)?
Unless, those are microplastics, which are probably something that will always be there for us.
Yeah, valerian root ain’t getting rid of your microplastics buildup.
Yeah the dude is really wrong.
Your body is good at filtering out hydrophilic toxins. But for just about every other toxin… Not so much. Most hydrophobic toxins and other toxins, like heavy metals, VOCs, pesticides, micro plastics, etc., are man made and your body hasn’t had millions of years to evolve natural filters.
But what “cleanse” does anything for those? The MAHA Moms and podcast bros aren’t talking up chelation therapy.
I think the point still stands that anyone selling you a way to rid your body of “toxins” is a charlatan.
I’m an environmental engineer and environmental scientist and I specialize in industrial hazmat waste issues, but I recognize even I’m a bit out of my professional lane on this.
But if you were to identify specific “toxins” that you are interested in “cleansing” there are often methods to do that. But first, I would recommend talking to a health professional. And those cleanses are going to vary significantly based on the toxin of interest.
But your best general “cleanse” is to eat more green leafy vegetables and exercise regularly. And feel free to drink a 4oz glass of milk a couple times a week.
I think we’re talking past each other here.
The original post is talking about people with “a systemized non-scientific theory of anatomy and nutrition.”
The comment that we’re responding to says,
Anyone talking about “toxins” and “waste products” as if they’re ‘stuck’ in your body is either very ignorant, or trying to sell you snake oil. Probably both."
The people who blog about “toxins,” as a generalized word without a specific meaning that could reasonably be replaced with “evil ghosts” in a sentence, are not interested in listening to doctors or scientists. They are “health” influencers on par with the current US secretary of Health and Human Services. I specifically called them “MAHA moms” in my previous comment for this reason.
I would hope that all reasonably educated people recognize that there are actual toxic substances that our bodies absorb that are harmful to us. But anyone who is identifying a specific toxin, much less a medically appropriate treatment plan for removing it, is leagues away from the snake-oil peddlers this post is talking about.
If you have not encountered these charlatans, more power to you. They used to be relegated to specific corners of the internet, but they’re becoming more mainstream with help from powerful figures in Washington.
I, unfortunately, had a loved one who followed some of these influencers with deadly effects. It turns out that juice cleanses and energy healing can’t cure cancer.
There are several problems with the charlatans.
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if you haven’t taken a science class since high school, then their advice often right. I’m amazed at how quickly the medical pseudo-science that flipped politically in my life time. I was raised in a deep red conservative Christian community and I don’t remember anti-vaccines ever being a thing for my community (we definitely had our issues, just not that one). The medical pseudo-science thing back then was firmly in the far left liberal sphere. The anti-vaxx movement was a hippy-liberal thing. (I’m not really sure when that flipped.)
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The medical industry -including academia- is very much at fault in burning trust. There are many instances of the medical industry intentionally withholding treatments because a different treatment made them more money. Or doctors over prescribing in order to charge insurance companies more money.
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A lot of what RFK jr says. Starts off good. He’s all like “Hey, we medicate too much. We should all focus on eating healthier and exercising. That’s what the government should encourage.” And even I’m like, “Yeah, okay. I agree.” Then he goes on to say “And that why you should shove a bowling ball up your butt.” That’s when he loses me.
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Don’t forget the heavy metals!
Yeah, what do people mean “toxins are pseudoscience”?
What are microplastics, heavy metals, and PTFAs, then???
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Anyone talking about “toxins” and “waste products” as if they’re ‘stuck’ in your body is either very ignorant, or trying to sell you snake oil.
Some can be excreted by the human body, others can’t.
You contradicted yourself. The latter quote is true.
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Heavy metal is good for you. Gets you moving and can be cathartic. I prefer stoner, doom, or deathcore myself though. Load my body up with those types of metal.
Heavy metal is good for you.
Eh, the Moebius stuff was great but a lot of the material just pandered to adolescent boys.
Moebius and Giger and Jodorowsky!
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They’ve detected microplastics in breast milk. You know what that means? It’s time to start living up to our name as mammals.
We hormonally induce lactation for everyone. All the time. Just leech out those microplastics. Nips into 3d printers.
The hucow revolution awaits!
Potential downside: For a while the world is gonna smell like curdled milk.
When life hands you curdled milk it’s time to make cheese
Microplaatic cheese
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Sadly, the energy cost of making all that milk would require us to eat more, taking in more plastics.
That is not what I wanted those used for.
I walked into my break room at work a couple of years ago and overheard some of my female coworkers complaining about the formula shortage. I asked if they’d ever thought about breastfeeding and they looked at me like I’d just grown a second head. I get that some women here and there might need a supplement for this, but the idea that feeding babies canned formula should be the norm is completely insane.
Breast feeding is a huge amount of work, asking a person to do that and have a job is a big deal. Pumping breastmilk is incompatible with lots of jobs. If they have already stopped breastfeeding they may not be able to restart.
It would be great to live in a society where breastfeeding was normal and easy. Society is crazy and women shouldn’t be criticised for trying to exist within it.
We’re bus drivers lol. We work four hours a day.
Hey son, just don’t eat for 4 hours…
It’s not that simple, like at all. There are loads of other things to take into account too.
It actually is that simple. The baby will either adjust or you’ll have pumped in preparation for those four hours.
That’s as dumb as them suggesting you take on a second job to cover the heightened cost of the formula, but the second job has to be donating blood, plasma, and bone marrow. The physical toll to make up that much extra nutrition, the (sometimes permanent) leaching of elements of your own body, the quantity of time to pump and properly clean and store and the cost of products, the emotional toll of sacrificing what used to be a fun part of your body to what for many is quite painful…
Sure boobs are made to make milk, but eyes are made to see. How many people do you know who wear glasses? It’s more complicated than just why not breast milk?
If women should be expected to breastfeed for 2 years, then society should be built that they can take two years off to do so. A year of breastfeeding equates to a conservative estimate of 1,800 hours, which is not far off from a full-time job that totals about 1,960 hours annually.
You should to regularly
letdonate blood to expell thebad humorsmicroplastics.That’s right, pass those microplastics along to the cancer babies! (Seriously though, DONATE BLOOD.)
In serious, most ways to loose blood and need blood infusions will loose the plastics too, so the donated blood just maintains the concentrations, the samw way it does for the other components.
Everyone has plastics in their blood.But then if you donate frequently your blood will have lower concentrations due to all the previous donations, so don’t just donate, donate often.
AFAIK, still no conclusive studies that show microplastics having an overly adverse affect on the human body. I’ve seen one linking it to lower sperm counts, but that’s not particularly bad to me. We don’t need more people.
The big scare with microplastics is that they are everywhere and that certainly isn’t good; and I think we’re all just waiting for the shoe to drop and some study to come out that shows something majorly negative with them. But for now, there’s nothing obvious sticking out that shows an immediate concern. Which makes sense. We use plastic for so much because it tends not to react to stuff.
Because they are so ubiquitous that it is impossible to find a control group. Quite literally every single person on the planet has micro plastics in them.
AFAIK, still no conclusive studies that show microplastics having an overly adverse affect on the human body
The problem is that we’ll never know because there’s no control group. Everybody has them, even fetuses still in the womb. You would have to build bunkers with perfect air filtering, and then go through, like, four generations of humans to breed microplastics-free specimen, which you could then use a the control group for the rest… Only them never leaving the bunker would already invalidate the tests… So, yeah…
If micro plastics were a problem then we should expect to see rapid increases in cancers in younger adults.
Handed a note
Huh. No shit.
Though even that is complicated by 50 or so years of nuclear weapons testing, which likely also increased cancer rates. Not to mention all that lead everywhere. Produce gradually losing nutrients because farming mostly just focuses on the big three with fertilizer and the others are being mined out of the ground and sent to landfills, septic tanks, waste processing facilities, cemetaries, and crematoriums also doesn’t help (though I’m not sure waste processing and crematoriums remove those nutrients from the cycle like the others, since the one could produce fertilizer and the other might be sending it out into the atmosphere where it could eventually end up back in the soil).
There’s so much chaos that it’s hard to isolate causes, which then makes all the causes kinda “hide in plain sight” because they can perpetually blame the others and shit only gets worse over time.
Let’s not forget the industrial pesticides, which are also everywhere.
Yeah, microplastics, too. And “pollution” being still broader than the list either of us have given so far. A car goes by smelling like gas? They are running their motor too rich and you’re literally inhaling unburnt gasoline. A car whose exhaust stinks but not like gas? Running too lean and now you’re inhaling various nitrogen compounds that aren’t great for inhaling. Ratio is correct? Still inhaling more CO and CO2 than normal, but everyone is doing it so there might not even be a control population to compare the effects against.
Oh also all the food additives that get tested for acute safety but not so much chronic (as in “will it kill you or make you obviously sick if you eat it once or a few times?” gets studied but “will eating it twice a week for 30 years have any long term effects?” is ignored).
We haven’t noticed much in the way of short term effects, but there’s no way to know what long term effects there will be except to wait.
In the meantime, since the effects are… unlikely to be beneficial, the best thing to do is reduce exposure as much as possible.
My body is an engine that turns food into lifting a hundred pounds of machinery. I dead lifted a generator about a week ago, yet it was the tree I felled a month ago that fucked up my shoulder.
did you figure out which underworked muscle group you have to work out next because of that
also this jam might suit you. https://youtu.be/Ux0iKbz_-yo
Yeah not my thing more of a listen to Tyr and Hulkoff while doing yardwork type of guy. As for why my arm got messed up, it was my offhand and I used it to push a ten year old orange tree the exact opposite way it was falling, because I didn’t want to risk the chainsaw sputtering and jumping into me.
Shout out to “alkaline water”.
I loved it when Gwyneth Paltrow said she drinks alkaline water for the health benefits… with a slice of lemon.
With a squeeze of lemon!
All over the place, we’re dealing with people who Do Not Get science, because they don’t really inhabit an objective reality. They’re doing the same woo-woo nonsense humanity has always done. It’s all just stories and belief. The signifiers just changed from headdresses to lab coats, and the jargon has a bit more Latin.
The “I don’t want to eat chemicals I can’t pronounce.” crowd get really mad when you try to explain that everything in the known universe is made of chemicals whose names they can’t pronounce. That meme listing the chemical makeup of an apple is a classic.
Ban dihydrogen monoxide!
100%. For example right now the meat and dairy lobby groups are pushing hard for everyone to eat for more protein than they need. Now, I have people who can’t tell the difference between a cytokine and a histone without using Google, even if it slapped them round the face, telling me they need 100g plus a day in Brotien. Its just a coincidence that this so called health advice makes those groups a lot more money.
I’ve heard that you cannot absorb (for lack of a better word) more that 30g of protein/day (adjust for your body weight).
Is that remotly true?
But life is an RPG and you get buffs from potions you make up. It’s always stuff that’s fun and easy too these fads are never hard graft or embracing simple balanced diets.
I’m almost finished with the first Dungeon Crawler Carl book, it’s an easy read along the same premise.
alot of people buy into the “flouride-free” gluten free, and inflammation, lysine diet apparently.
Also: Replace “super” (as in “superfood”) with “sacred” and it works just as well.
my boss does a “cleanse” once a month. IDK what she takes but she also believes ivermectin cures cancer, sooooo…
Its no coincidence that she is one of the sickest “healthy” people ive met. She has no health conditions or chronic illnesses. Shes in good physical shape and doesn’t smoke or drink. Exercises most days, etc. Yet, she “cant get out of bed” or has some mystery stomach flu or something like that about once a month. Funny how that seems to line up just after her cleanses. I suggested once that she was making it worse with the cleanses but she just doubled down.
Willfully ignorant and proud.Firehouse in the USA: “right leaning straight white guys that watch FOX news” is over represented. We work 24 hour shifts and thus cook two meals a day at the station. Inevitably that means I get to experience whatever dumb-ass dietary advice the manosphere/RFK Jr. is pushing: keto, carnivore, MORE PROTEIN, etc.
They get hilariously defensive when I tell them “I don’t do fad diets”.
…I don’t think I’ve ever met a man in real life that ate a fad diet. They eat hamburger helper and take out.
Clearly you need to spend more time around Joe Rogan watching dude-bros. There’s also several of them on supplemental testosterone: “The doctor will tell you that your level is normal but they’ve been secretly lowering the ‘normal level’ over the past several decades. If you want I can give you my doctor’s information.”
My theory is reincarnation is real and I was a horrible person in my previous life.
as soon as you hear (X) cures cancer you know shes deep into pseudoscience, its one of the “gateway” into pseudoscience. those cleanses are likely messing up her gut microbiome causing “diarrhea, GI problems”. when i took antibiotics once he caused watery runs, and it never was the same.
i wonder if shes getting antibiotics from a shady ass doctor, i know if you take too much you will have chronic GI problems. there something called chronic lyme, where its usually midwestern woman believes its chronic so they go to a MD that is “specialized in Lyme” to be prescribed on antbiotics for months on end, and to convince themselves they have it, they take another shady test for lyme.
Sounds like the chlorine dioxide nonsense, tbh. Dangerous stuff.
When I read “nutritional hexes” I assumed this would be honeycomb related.
