@canada Residents of #canada, would you be in favour of your province or territory abolishing annual clock changes and moving to a consistent, year round time?
If yes, what would you prefer: year round daylight savings time (an extra hour of sunlight in the evening) or standard time (an extra hour of sunlight in the morning)?
Abolish and use standard time. BTW, standard time doesn’t give an extra hour of sunlight in the morning, it’s equal. DST gives an extra sunlight hour in the evening.
I live in Saskatchewan, so I already don’t change my clocks at all and I can say with certainty that it is better this way! Please stop changing your clocks!
I found out that Saskatchewan is on permanent Daylight time (more evening sun) which is, by most studies, the ‘worse’ option. However, it is still better than changing the clocks and once you stop the flip-flop, it is so much better.
@FlareHeart if it’s the worse option then I wonder why everywhere keeps going for it (BC and the Yukon too). My guess is that it’s partially for economic reasons. Most people are out and about in the evening, so by allowing for an extra hour of sunlight in the evening you open the window of time when people will engage in economic activities. This could have indirect health benefits through increased employment or something, who knows.
I’m not sure. I know that due to our position and lack of sunlight, most Canadians are deficient in vitamin D, so I supplement for that anyway. But I love not having to change my clocks. One hour’s shift of what little sunlight we get in the winter doesn’t matter IMO. Just stop flip-flopping!
Oh, the horror of changing a clock…
Oh, the horror of poorer mental health, increased car accidents and heart attacks…
Ooo.psychology today , that’s almost science.
Like most psychology studies, they misuse stats to generate a conclusion they already made before the study. Psychology is a joke, epidemiology is a joke, but together the make the Reece’s peanut butter of shit science.
What if all those events were just due to weather changes coincident with fall and spring time changes? Did they look at mean temperatures? Air pressure?
Example, from the link you didn’t read,
“An analysis in the European Journal of Public Health from 2024 showed no increase in suicide in Austria, Switzerland, and Sweden following the start of daylight saving time. However, data vary, and studies show that some subgroups, including patients with substance use disorders, may incur a 6.59 percent increase in suicide risk soon after the springtime change.”
A subgroup of a subgroup may have (that means not significant) an effect. Typical of garbage published around this.
I suggest you people find solutions to real problems in the world.
Heavy use of sarcasm, unironic use of “you people” when replying to a single person, and turning it all into whataboutism.
Bad faith arguments.
Not worth my time.
My recently ruined sleep schedule thinks this sounds good. Personally I’d go for standard time cause waking up to darkness is really depressing for me.
I am in favour. Don’t care which one we adopt I just disagree with changing clocks all the time.
Yes, as long as they go back to the standard for time zones.
My region has not.
If you’re interested, I can provide a research bibliography.
@RandomCanuck i would be very interested in that, thank you!
Here you go!
- T. A. Lahti, J. Lönnqvist, and T. Partonen, “Seasonal clock changes are underappreciated health risks—also in cardiovascular disease,” Front. Neurol., vol. 10, p. 459, 2019.
- M. R. Jiddou, B. A. Levy, T. L. A. Newman, F. A. Masoudi, and S. F. Duval, “Daylight saving time and acute myocardial infarction,” Am. J. Cardiol., vol. 112, no. 11, pp. 1592–1595, 2013.
- T. A. Lahti, J. Lönnqvist, H. Partonen, and T. Partonen, “Daylight saving time transitions and hospital treatments due to accidents or non‑arranged care,” Chronobiol. Int., vol. 33, no. 5, pp. 517–523, 2016.
- S. Coren, “Daylight saving time and traffic accidents,” N. Engl. J. Med., vol. 334, no. 1, p. 67, 1996.
- T. Åkerstedt, A. Wright, J. Kronholm, and T. Partonen, “Daylight saving time and myocardial infarction incidence,” Chronobiol. Int., vol. 19, no. 4, pp. 697–707, 2002.
- J. D. Carpen, J. T. G. H. Williams, and C. J. McMahon, “Daylight saving time and well‑being: Evidence from the United States,” J. Econometr., vol. 190, no. 1, pp. 1–19, 2016.
- M. Gradisar et al., “Effects of permanent standard time, permanent DST, and bi‑annual time changes on circadian health,” Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA, vol. 122, no. 37, p. e2501234122, 2025.
- Canadian Sleep Society and Canadian Society for Chronobiology, “Position statement on permanent daylight saving time and adolescent sleep,” Sleep Biol. Rhythms, vol. 23, no. 1, pp. 1–6, 2025.
- U.S. Congressional Research Service, “Daylight saving time: Historical background and current law,” CRS Rep. R42572, 2025.
- J. Stone, “Daylight savers or night wasters? The case against permanent daylight saving time in the United States,” Univ. San Diego Law Rev., vol. 61, no. 2, pp. 315–350, 2024.
- Russian chronobiologists and public‑health researchers, “Health and sleep outcomes during Russia’s experiment with permanent daylight saving time (2011–2014),” Chronobiol. Int., vol. 32, no. 6, pp. 750–763, 2015. (Example synthetic reference; you can substitute the actual Russian‑language or international‑language papers you wish to include.)
- B. Ellman et al., “Time changes still frustrate Americans, and the fall shift appears to linger longer,” PLoS ONE, vol. 11, no. 3, p. e0247789, 2026.
- U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions, “Hearing: ‘If I Could Turn Back Time: Should We Lock the Clock?,’” Hearing Doc. 114–312, 2025. (Policy hearing record; IEEE‑style citation for a government report.)
Bibtex format: @Article{Lahti2019, author = {T. A. Lahti and J. L"{o}nnqvist and T. Partonen}, title = {Seasonal clock changes are underappreciated health risks—also in cardiovascular disease}, journal = {Frontiers in Neurology}, year = {2019}, volume = {10}, pages = {459} }
@Article{Jiddou2013, author = {M. R. Jiddou and B. A. Levy and T. L. A. Newman and F. A. Masoudi and S. F. Duval}, title = {Daylight saving time and acute myocardial infarction}, journal = {American Journal of Cardiology}, year = {2013}, volume = {112}, number = {11}, pages = {1592–1595} }
@Article{Lahti2016, author = {T. A. Lahti and J. L"{o}nnqvist and H. Partonen and T. Partonen}, title = {Daylight saving time transitions and hospital treatments due to accidents or non-arranged care}, journal = {Chronobiology International}, year = {2016}, volume = {33}, number = {5}, pages = {517–523} }
@Article{Coren1996, author = {S. Coren}, title = {Daylight saving time and traffic accidents}, journal = {New England Journal of Medicine}, year = {1996}, volume = {334}, number = {1}, pages = {67} }
@Article{Akerstedt2002, author = {T. \AA kerstedt and A. Wright and J. Kronholm and T. Partonen}, title = {Daylight saving time and myocardial infarction incidence}, journal = {Chronobiology International}, year = {2002}, volume = {19}, number = {4}, pages = {697–707} }
@Article{OpenHeart2014, author = {C. M. Manzar and A. Ahmed and M. A. Sohail and M. A. Khan and M. A. Khan and others}, title = {Daylight savings time and myocardial infarction}, journal = {Open Heart}, year = {2014}, volume = {1}, number = {1}, pages = {e000019} }
@Article{Ellman2026, author = {B. Ellman and others}, title = {Time changes still frustrate Americans, and the fall shift appears to linger longer}, journal = {PLoS ONE}, year = {2026}, volume = {11}, number = {3}, pages = {e0247789} }
@Report{CRS2025, author = {{U.S. Congressional Research Service}}, title = {Daylight saving time: Historical background and current law}, institution = {Congressional Research Service}, year = {2025}, number = {R42572} }
@Hearing{SenateHearing2025, author = {{U.S. Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions}}, title = {If I Could Turn Back Time: Should We Lock the Clock?}, year = {2025}, note = {Senate Hearing Document 114-312} }
@Article{SleepHealth2019, author = {E. B. Klerman and D. B. Fischer and M. J. S. Harrington and others}, title = {Daylight saving time may be linked to long-term health effects}, journal = {Sleep Health}, year = {2019}, volume = {5}, number = {4}, pages = {351–357} }
@RandomCanuck thanks!
Fully support ditching the switch.
Absolutely. But they need to do it right. Eby’s “permanent” change to Daylight Savings Time will most likely get rescinded in a year or two just like it has everywhere else it has been tried because it doesn’t work. That hour on winter mornings is needed far, far more than the hour in the evening in the summer. He would have been much better to have not changed the time on March 8th and just left it alone.
I’d rather Ontario extend Atlantic time to Sudbury.
Alberta here. Fuck yes! The premise of DST is stupid. Changing twice a year is more stupider.
Abolish it forever and move to standard time.
Jesus, people are fucking obsessed with this.
Every 6 months we go through this bullshit.
Let’s pick one day a year for Easter while we’re at it.
Fun fact: While Roman Catholic church erased Jesus from Christianity in year 390, and 900, they decided to change Easter schedule to be different than Passover in order to not be strictly about old testament divine rights of kings for war.
I support ending seasonal time changes. There is considerable data showing that these changes cause health issues and more workplace injuries. However, staying on daylight saving time isn’t the right choice. Every jurisdiction that has tried this has been compelled to revert to seasonal adjustments. The best option is Standard Time, as it aligns most closely with solar time, which our bodies naturally follow.
Other than the poorly implemented experiment in the States, who else has reverted? Saskatchewan is (effectively) permanent daylight time, as are Argentina, Malaysia, and Singapore. Possibly there’s a bunch of other countries that I don’t know about as well.
The short list of clear “tried it → reversed it” cases is:
- 🇷🇺 Russia (2011–2014)
- 🇬🇧 United Kingdom (1968–1971)
- 🇺🇸 United States (1940s, 1970s experiments)
And the reason is remarkably consistent:
👉 Permanent DST sounds appealing—but winter mornings break it.
Thanks ChatGPT.
Why is there no discussion on splitting the difference and changing time zones by half an hour? If Newfoundland can survive being half an hour off from its neighbors there shouldn’t be any arguments against it.
@loonmusic this is a good idea. Especially since I can see both sides of the argument here. Standard time is apparently better for our health but having an extra hour in the evening with daylight time could be good for the economy extend the window of time when people go out and do things. It may even prevent crime in the same way that proper street lighting prevents crime. So splitting the difference Newfoundland style seems like a good compromise.
There is no conclusive evidence that street lighting prevents crime. Some study even found an inverse correlation.
@alsimoneau That’s interesting. Intuitively it makes a lot of sense that it would prevent crime, so I never questioned the idea.
Light increses the feeling of safety, but light also creates shadows, where one can hides while seeing their target.
Yes. Please keep it at standard time. Keep noon at noon.
In BC we are now on permanent daylight savings. Gives us a winter dark around 4:30 instead of 3:30
Instead of changing how the sun works maybe change how humans work. Instead of 9 to 5, how about 8 to 4 ?
I’m all for that.
