• mulcahey@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I’m really curious, because people throw “doxxing” around a lot. And this example doesn’t even include any identifiable info, just the make/model/year/color of a car.

      So… What is your definition of doxxing?

      Speeding isn’t a constitutional right like protest. And public streets aren’t private homes. Should people expect to break laws and endanger their neighbors, in public, and we’re all supposed to… pretend we don’t see them? What’s your definition here?

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        And this example doesn’t even include any identifiable info, just the make/model/year/color of a car.

        Make/model/year/color/frequent locations of a car are absolutely enough identifiable info to stalk someone.

        Should people expect to break laws and endanger their neighbors, in public, and we’re all supposed to… pretend we don’t see them? What’s your definition here?

        And what’s your suggestion? What do you think people should/could/might do with enough information to stalk someone that someone online said is breaking the law with no more evidence than “I said so”?

        So… What *is* your definition of doxxing?

        Giving everyone online enough information to stalk and harass someone, especially when it comes along with a motive to do so.

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          no more evidence than “I said so.”

          Incorrect. There is plenty of evidence, and the group behind this (Transportation Alternatives) is reputable and well-known. Here is the evidence, which is also linked in the OP.

          What do you think people should/could/might do with enough information

          Law enforcement should act, and if they don’t, we should put pressure on law enforcement using the democratic tools at our disposal. Dangerously speeding cars are not the rising sun; we don’t just have to accept them as a fact of life.

          Giving everyone online enough information to stalk and harass someone

          If a student shoots up a school and then tries to hide with the other kids, and the kids point him out to the police, are they doxxing the shooter? Is this crowd doxxing a shooter? Why do speeders have an unfettered right to menace the public, but the public can’t hold them accountable? We wouldn’t tolerate that with any other crime committed in public. And driving is a privilege, not a right

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            If a student shoots up a school and then tries to hide with the other kids, and the kids point him out to the police, are they doxxing the shooter?

            No.

            Law enforcement should act, and if they don’t, we should put pressure on law enforcement using the democratic tools at our disposal.

            Absolutely!

            Doxxing is sharing information that can facilitate vigilante justice.

            Based on that article, I’m confused because I thought getting too many speeding tickets in a short time would lead to bigger consequences up to losing your license. I don’t understand how someone could get hundreds of tickets in a year. Does New York just have very lax speeding ticket laws compared to other states?

            Also the full article includes even more identifiable information, such as the actual license plates.

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              I think we’re in agreement that the police/legal system should be clamping down on these speeders. I certainly share your confusion here re: why they’re allowed to continue doing this.

              But, as we’re both seeing, the police aren’t doing their jobs, and these guys are allowed to continue menacing our streets. This happens against a general backdrop where drivers are regularly prioritized over everyone else-- to the point that that can literally kill someone and still walk. In that environment, what are we supposed to do? I think this method – highlighting that we’re watching, that the police could stop this today by simply doing their jobs-- is one of the democratic tools at our disposal.

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      Because this data was collected from traffic cameras, which slightly limits the actions that can be taken (notably, because they can’t prove who was behind the wheel there are no points on the license). IMO what you should be asking is why has the NPD not stationed a traffic cop around each of these places specifically to catch these guys.

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        In the UK we’ve had speeding cameras all over the country for 20+ years, they get upgraded tech periodically and the majority of them capture photos and a short video clip of every offense and you get auto emailed a ticket to pay or a court summons if over a certain % over the limit. It’s the responsibility of the vehicle’s registered keeper to know who was driving their car at any point in time. If the registered keeper genuinely can’t remember who was driving their car and can’t tell from the photos and videos caught by the camera, the registered keeper is who takes the hit for the penalty points / fine

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          The registered owner does get fined, and in extreme cases like this probably should have their license revoked, but overall I do actually think it’s for the best that an automated system can’t take away your license.

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            In the UK this map wouldn’t be possible because the drivers responsible would be banned from driving. I feel a lot safer on the streets in the UK as a pedestrian than anywhere in the US.