• atrizzy@lemmy.ca
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    4 hours ago

    Lol… if you can’t pass the tree climbing test you probably shouldn’t get a degree in monkeyism.

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    9 hours ago

    Be that as it may, I want my doctor to have passed their tests and I want the bridge I’m driving over to be designed by an engineer who also passed their tests.

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    23 hours ago

    Yes, but also a standardized examination is required to ensure that students are hitting their educational milestones. It will be harder for some students and easier for others, but these are challenges that all students need to overcome to be productive members of society. Just throwing your hands up in the air and giving up because a student had it harder than another is feeding into the anti-intellectualism scourge.

    To put it simply, there are more productive inequities to put your focus and efforts into

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      19 hours ago

      but these are challenges that all students need to overcome to be productive members of society.

      As a productive member of society, I fucking hated school and failed a lot because I had undiagnosed learning disorders like Dyslexia, Dyscalculia, ADHD, and BPD.

      So if I must pass the same tests as a completely neurotypical kid with none of those traits, you may as well ask the fish to climb the fucking tree.

      Just throwing your hands up in the air and giving up because a student had it harder than another is feeding into the anti-intellectualism scourge.

      I’m an very intelligent individual. And the one thing I can tell you is you’re full of shit if you think kids like me giving up in school was because it was “hard” is a complete load of horseshit, and really makes me think you were one of the “normal” kids. It wasn’t because it was hard, it was because it didn’t make sense because our brains don’t process information the same way you do. It’s like asking an English speaker to read Mandarin, and fail him because the Chinese kid did it fine.

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        12 hours ago

        My guy, I didn’t say that students would find the material to be hard. I just said that some students would have a harder time. Which, based on what you’ve said, appears to be true.

        And based on what you said, it sounds like the problem that you have isn’t even with standardized testing, but with the failure of the educational system to cater to unique learning styles. Which, for what it’s worth, is a problem that I agree with you on, but is an entirely separate discussion altogether.

        But ok, I’ll bite. Taking you at your word, if not for standardized testing, by what metric would you measure and ensure that students are learning properly? And if you advocate for not using any metric, how do you ensure that students who are falling behind get the help they need?

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        Which acts as a statistical… standard.

        They aren’t IQ tests (or any actual test of intelligence), they are an indicator of whether or not students perform a task at the same level as historical or cross sectional groups as a proxy for aptitude. This is the same way BMI is a proxy for body composition.

        Neither are great models, but they are useful for describing a population based on just a little information.

        In both situations, sometimes you don’t fit the mold because youre an edge case… and sometimes you’re actually just on one of the special side parts of the bell curve.

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        19 hours ago

        Yeah !

        But then again nay. Depends a whole lot on the tests and the grading effort.

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          19 hours ago

          Nope. Written tests that require studying is generally just memorization. Sure some kids can process and understand it, but others like myself can’t store information the same way, so we would just memorize it long enough to write the test, and forget how to do it a week later.

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    Fish got the job because his brother was on the hiring board … now everyone has to learn how to flop around like a fish

  • FedX@quokk.au
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    1 day ago

    The bird on the far left will get a zero for cheating (flying instead of climbing).

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    21 hours ago

    The aggressively collaborative asshole in me thinks if the elephant kicks over that that tree they can all easily sit on it while giving the proctor a middle finger.