from the mod log:

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https://s.faf-pb.xyz/lXxek

The output from the LLM was provided as proof that someone needed to be banned.

I didn’t want to do this but my hand was forced by their dissembling, minimization and bullshit. Note how the output includes a nice big logo with a slogan and ascii graphics - this was not a one-off experiment, this is an app they were proud to call their own.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Another hit piece from rimu against /0. Must be a day that ends with -y…

    EDIT: Here’s rimu admitting that this is all based on a single modlog and him just making assumptions based on that and that alone.

    Here’s the series of events as I understand it

    • Rimu sees a two-week-old public modlog entry from unruffled banning a zionist as per our instance rules.
    • Rimu visits the public evidence linked and discovers that it’s a dump of the comments of said zionist, and it includes an LLM summary of those
    • Rimu sees the FAF logo on the pastebin. Rimu assumes that even though it’s clearly not a FAF domain, since it has the FAF logo, it’s an official FAF tool. This is false.
    • Rimu sees the LLM summmary and assumes that the banning happened due to the LLM summary. This is false
    • Rimu assumes that the tool that gathered these comments is automated. This is false
    • Rimu assumes that because it looks like an official tool, and despite the fact that he can only find a single modlog entry, all of the instance admins are regularly using it. This is false.
    • Rimu concludes that the instance is using an automated LLM judgement mechanism for instance moderation. This is egregiously false
    • Rimu does not reach out to any of our instance admins for clarification, even though we exist in the same instance-cooperation matrix channels. Even though our instance admins explicitly reached out to him earlier this month and asked to contact them for any questions/cooperation in order to avoid further drama and escalations. Note that there’s a reason why journalists ask for comments before publishing information.
    • Rimu doesn’t do any other due diligence.
    • Rimu rushes to publish with a cross-post to mastodon, because he knows the knee-jerk GenAI-hate there is much stronger than on threadiverse.
    • When called on any of the false and misleading statements he’s made by multiple people in the comments, Rimu completely ignores everyone countering him and all arguments, not to mention being so confused he doesn’t even know if he’s talking about mods or admins.

    I’ll leave the fact of why Rimu was randomly going through 2-week old modlogs of banned zionists as an interesting open-ended question.

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    I have grown so weary of your flagrant lies, Rimu.

    This is nonsense. Stop posting lies based off of your own misunderstandings. Stop using this community as your own personal drama cope.

    Edit: Lol this comment, and none of my recent ones criticizing Rimu, are visible on piefed.social. Hmm. I wonder why. You really going to complain about people running things as a fiefdom and then act the way that you are?

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    Piefed defederating from that group of “anarchistic” instances would get me to change to piefed if .world didn’t immediately follow suit.

    It’s not even so much that the users on those instances are all bad, they’re not.

    It’s that their admin team (it’s really one group across multiple instances) are either incapable or unwilling to keep out bad faith users.

    It legitimately doesn’t matter which it is, and bad faith users would love if that’s the discussion.

    When rot spreads in a connected network like this, you prune it before it can spread. Admins got rid of hexbear, and thought that was enough. Since it wasn’t, it continued to spread and now even more drastic action needs taken.

    I don’t want to keep relitigating this shit, but these decisions can’t drag out, the longer this goes on the more rewarding it is for those same users to infiltrate another instance and try the same shit.

    All the problematic users have alts all over, but defederating from the main instances drastically cuts off their recruitment. They’d be forced to deal with competent local admins, and every post/comment wouldn’t include an advertisement for their home instance allows that type of shit.

    Edit:

    Or an option for an account to choose to defederate their account from instances on a case by case bias.

    A setting page with every instance federated at large, and if you uncheck a box none of your comments/posts/votes are even sent to that service.

    That is what a “block” should be. Right now it’s just “ignore” which is plugging your eyes just to their community posts.

    That also gives admins a reliable pulse check. If 60% of users took the time to individually defend from an instance, they should evaluate if they should be federated at all, or at least ask their users why it’s happening.

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    @[email protected] is this the cause of your issue yesterday? We talked about this for hours. Just defederate.

    @[email protected] is an admin, he owns the server, he can do what he likes on that server.

    As I said yesterday, and overwhelmingly everyone chimed in agreeing: This is the nature of the fediverse. You do not get to make rules for the entire fediverse.

    You are on piefed.social, just block his server from your feed you dislike it so much.

    Yesterday’s Post

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      Note that just because I’m an admin, I don’t do what I like. We explicitly reject the BDFL approach. Also you’re missing the objective of rimu here; it’s not to stop our admins from doing a specific thing, it’s to agitate other instances to defederate us widely.

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        And what exactly is “the problem”? Because I don’t see one.

        Is it the anti-Zionism?
        Is it the mod automation?
        Is it the use of AI in the mod automation?