The new research is the first to measure community water fluoridation exposure during childhood and any potential impact on cognition up to age 80.

The paper is here

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    But a MAGA coworker told me Fluoride is bad according to new studies. When asked for specifics the answer was read the studies.

    I always assume if MAGA says something is bad, then it’s good.

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    I didn’t think it would but I still don’t want it in my water.

    I want flouride toothpaste, flouride rinses and free teeth care for children though.

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      I still don’t want it in my water

      Why?

      If you buy spring water do you check the fluoride content to make sure it’s below a certain threshold? Magnesium, Calcium, Potassium?

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        Why would I want an adjunct in my water? I have no need for it, I don’t want the government wasting money on it.

        It does very little for adult teeth, and is barely a blip compared to the effects of dental care and fluoride toothpaste for children.

        If you feel differently, feel free to add it to your water.

        97% of Europe does not fluoridate their water. Of the seven countries with the lowest tooth decay rates in children in the world, six have no water fluoridation programs.

        Finally in the US there have been four fairly serious fluoride accidents. Also, phosphate rock mining and processing is very hazardous so if you are going to use Flouride use it purposefully, in a toothpaste or rinse, not just distributing it into water. Which, by the way, kids don’t drink a whole lot of.

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          Why would I want an adjunct in my water?

          To protect the teeth of your neighbour’s kids.

          I don’t want the government wasting money on it.

          Is it a waste of money? It seems quite plausibly cheaper than your suggestion. In Canada we have implemented a national dental care program for people earning under a certain threshold. I think anything we can do to improve the sustainability of that program is a good idea.

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            So why is it that 6 of the 7 countries with the lowest amount of caivities do not flouridate their water? Throwing floride around into a substance you use for everything is a poor approach to a problem.

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              Because you don’t understand the alleged statistics you’re citing, you don’t understand that flouride is naturally present in most freshwater, that Europe has a different history of how they consume water, and water fluoridation is actually a brilliant approach.

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                I do understand the statistics, but I also acknowledge that many cities in Europe have varying levels of flouride in the water and saying “country” does not take into account variations within countries.

                At the same time many places in the world are contaminated with flouride. There is a sweet spot for efficacy of course.

                I am not saying fluoride isn’t helpful. But adding it to water? No thanks. Both places I live do not do this, and neither have higher instances of cavities than anywhere else (given relative incomes, lifestyle, and health care).

                Besides I will say it again, since when do kids drink water?

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                  The fact that you’re still making these ludicrous claims show tbat you don’t understand the statistics, kiddo.

                  Adding it to water is cheap and effective, no matter how much you shriek otherwise.

                  Do you have any evidence that kids don’t drink water, spud?

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    Can we trust this study though? Everyone is dumb as shit now, the baseline has degraded, and people are more docile. Something is going on, somethings. I wouldn’t absolve flouride that crystallizes in the decision making part of the brain, and it in the soil and food to a huge degree, from aluminum smelting, because of a study. Given, you know, things.

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      Sodium Flouride is a naturally occuring salt in ground water. The water purification process for public water systems removes the Flouride, and it needs to be put back in to maintain dental health. This was directly observed and figured out in the 1940’s.

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      Everyone is dumb as shit now

      That wouldn’t implicate fluoride, because not everyone was exposed to it. And the study indicates that fluoride exposure (on a community level, which would take into account soil and food) doesn’t make a difference.

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        You should care about the fact that studies will tell you roundup is safe, atrazine is safe, and the like. My sweet summer child, the system is corrupted. If you don’t know that yet, there is little hope for you.

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            First of all, the answer is always more and better drugs. That you don’t know that indicts your understanding!

            Second of all, you have no idea what you are defending, you trust the establishment and follow their lead. I would argue at this point to not question what you are told by the experts exposes you for a fool.

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          The trick here is to look at who is funding it and if the methods are correct. If it’s independent and competently done, it’s probably correct

          “the system” doesn’t mean scientists are corrupt, it means your politicians are.

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            Are you for real? Do you not realize mercenary scientific outfits take jobs with the understanding of working backwards from the position their funders want them to be that’s and engineer those studies to come to that conclusion, which is in turn taken up by lobbyists and politicians and all that bullshit. I shouldn’t have to explain this to you. The fact that you don’t realize this at this point, frankly it’s just fucking depressing. We are fucked because you are fucking, ahem, not so enlightened.

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              Do you not realize mercenary scientific outfits take jobs with the understanding of working backwards from the position their funders want them to be that’s and engineer those studies to come to that conclusion, which is in turn taken up by lobbyists and politicians and all that bullshit

              Source?