Do you get that most of the moderation in this community is done by me? There’s not a big group of people scheming and the admins of this instance are busy elsewhere.
I’d encourage you to browse through my comments and tell me by my content (or moderation actions) whose side I’m on.
I think what you’ll find is I don’t get involved in the drama and frankly don’t want to. I do care about addressing reports and keeping the community functioning though.
I’ve issued a single 1 day ban in this thread so far. That’s it. I’ve also asked the person above to stop their targeted harassment and I’ve already asked you as well to stop encouraging it (a position the admin of your instance echoed as well).
There’s no fucking conspiracy here. You can’t use this community to find people in the comments and harass them about things happening outside this community.
Dunno about that. If that guys an asshole, I know about it now thanks to that other guy. That’s a community service.
Imagine if some guy in real life was a total mcasshole out around town and you were like “listen, he’s just here trying to buy coffee, why are you bringing up the fact that he’s a violent asshole”
(Personally, I say keep doing it. Rimu is just gonna remove you from the DB, nothing else will happen. Rimu is a shitheel who supports fascists, who cares what they think?)
I’m perpetually shocked that there’s zero vetting for federation…
Like, I get needing to give a new instance a chance, but it feels like shared between all the admins that federate, keeping an eye on them wouldn’t be hard for a probationary period.
But like…
Admins really saw a blank instance with “chan” being the only other word besides “lemmy” and thought shit was gonna cool?
Is federation really automated to the point no human makes a decision? If so, that’s an obvious flaw and trolls will just keep spinning up instances to troll from. If one person has to pay it all the time, it’s a hassle. If ~100 people are pitching in or taking turns and they don’t care what the domain is because they know it’s temporary…
Have admins even considered how to prepare for that?
Instances can either be blocklisted or allowlisted. A given instance must choose one method or the other, and almost all instances choose the former. Hexbear is the only one I know that chose the later. They vet instances individually before allowing them. Keep in mind that the fediverse is not just Lemmy. It would be a lot of work to vet each new fediverse instance that comes along.
So it’s just a setting they can flip at any time. When (not if) instance spam becomes an issue, there’s already a way to address it.
Keep in mind that the fediverse is not just Lemmy. It would be a lot of work to vet each new fediverse instance that comes along.
This could (hopefully would) be mitigated by blocklist admins monitoring one of the resources that quantify instance activity after like x months. If everything checks out, let em in with a reminder in y months to circle back.
Semi related:
I’ve always wanted to see a mod list that breaks down “local”. Like, you look at .worlds modlist from the main page, and it’s every mod action from every federate instance.
It makes it hard for users to see what their own admins are up, especially with how frequent these discussions is, I feel that option would increase transparency for how an instance moderates so users can make informed decisions where to set up roots.
I’ve always wanted to see a mod list that breaks down “local”. Like, you look at .worlds modlist from the main page, and it’s every mod action from every federate instance.
Yeah that’d be nice. Modlog has always left much to be desired. Although the core concept is great, it’s not fleshed out enough to be as useful as it should be. Sometimes it can even be weaponized by rogue mods to slander certain users. Because when you ban someone, that mod action is permanent and you get to put whatever text you want as the ban reason.
It definitely needs work but I can understand other things taking priority, considering most users will never interact with the modlog anyway.
I guess on the bright side at least it shows the text of the comments that got removed right there, and links directly to the thread. So people can easily verify for themselves whether they would agree with the ban or not. It’s more of an annoyance than anything, they can put whatever reason they want for banning you, but they can’t edit your comments or control the words you actually wrote down. So if you stand by what you wrote and others agree with your perspective, it just makes the mod look bad and they can also get removed for abusing mod powers.
In some ways, I think context also matters. For example, you can debate a topic theologically in a different manner to politically. So for example, “dancing is a sin in flaxifarianism, and we should hold to flaxifarian values within our temples” in a flaxifarianism community is different to saying “dancing should be politically outlawed” in a general community, or worse, one dedicated to dancing.
Some instances operate on an allowlist rather than just blindly being open, but honestly the number of problem instances is much lower than you might expect. Most are just wide open. Spinning up an instance will cost you some time and a domain, so it’s not exactly a zero cost effort.
Honestly I have no idea what “chan” has to do with this, I only know it as the japanese honorific. Edit: Oh, chan like 4chan? That one didn’t occur to me.
But on a well maintained instance they get banned pretty fast. Like, less than an hour if they’re vote botting.
That’s why the problem is smaller instances that aren’t well maintained, either because admins don’t care or aren’t able.
On those since the home instance doesn’t act, the burden falls on the admins of every other instance to eventually ban each account.
Like,batelnback a second.
Think of it as admin who is putting their money and equipment up for this…
That is why I’m shocked they don’t defed already, it’s the only solution and the longer they wait the more trolls it attracts. Because they’ll assume they’ll get weeks/months out of it again.
You stamp trolls out quick or shit gets out of hand.
Thanks, just defederated us
Looks like it’s still federated on piefed.ca. Don’t forget about us!
piefed.ca is set to just follow lemmy.ca, not sure how often it refreshes…
Daily.
Hey if you’re active, do you mind replying to all your false accusations you’re spewing all over the Fediverse?
Please stop with the harassment.
It’s not harassment you troll.
Harassment is going around spreading lies and sharing secret ban lists with others and telling other people to attack you as well.
Harassment is when you want answers from fascists, not when you remove people and make shit up about them so they can’t defend themselves.
Mods here are on the side of PieFed, not a shock.
Do you get that most of the moderation in this community is done by me? There’s not a big group of people scheming and the admins of this instance are busy elsewhere.
I’d encourage you to browse through my comments and tell me by my content (or moderation actions) whose side I’m on.
I think what you’ll find is I don’t get involved in the drama and frankly don’t want to. I do care about addressing reports and keeping the community functioning though.
I’ve issued a single 1 day ban in this thread so far. That’s it. I’ve also asked the person above to stop their targeted harassment and I’ve already asked you as well to stop encouraging it (a position the admin of your instance echoed as well).
There’s no fucking conspiracy here. You can’t use this community to find people in the comments and harass them about things happening outside this community.
Please don’t do that that. Hounding people in irrelevant threads just comes off as harassment and makes you look worse than them.
Dunno about that. If that guys an asshole, I know about it now thanks to that other guy. That’s a community service.
Imagine if some guy in real life was a total mcasshole out around town and you were like “listen, he’s just here trying to buy coffee, why are you bringing up the fact that he’s a violent asshole”
I’m just speaking from experience. This is how things play out in these situations.
(Personally, I say keep doing it. Rimu is just gonna remove you from the DB, nothing else will happen. Rimu is a shitheel who supports fascists, who cares what they think?)
Harassing individual users is against the rules of this community.
No, they won’t. Lies spread faster than truth.
https://piefed.social/u/[email protected]
Rimu might not be seeing anything you’ve posted for the last few hours, might be deletion?
There’s this comment from 1 hour ago: https://piefed.social/post/2035211#comment_11215538
I’m perpetually shocked that there’s zero vetting for federation…
Like, I get needing to give a new instance a chance, but it feels like shared between all the admins that federate, keeping an eye on them wouldn’t be hard for a probationary period.
But like…
Admins really saw a blank instance with “chan” being the only other word besides “lemmy” and thought shit was gonna cool?
Is federation really automated to the point no human makes a decision? If so, that’s an obvious flaw and trolls will just keep spinning up instances to troll from. If one person has to pay it all the time, it’s a hassle. If ~100 people are pitching in or taking turns and they don’t care what the domain is because they know it’s temporary…
Have admins even considered how to prepare for that?
Instances can either be blocklisted or allowlisted. A given instance must choose one method or the other, and almost all instances choose the former. Hexbear is the only one I know that chose the later. They vet instances individually before allowing them. Keep in mind that the fediverse is not just Lemmy. It would be a lot of work to vet each new fediverse instance that comes along.
Thanks!
So it’s just a setting they can flip at any time. When (not if) instance spam becomes an issue, there’s already a way to address it.
This could (hopefully would) be mitigated by blocklist admins monitoring one of the resources that quantify instance activity after like x months. If everything checks out, let em in with a reminder in y months to circle back.
Semi related:
I’ve always wanted to see a mod list that breaks down “local”. Like, you look at .worlds modlist from the main page, and it’s every mod action from every federate instance.
It makes it hard for users to see what their own admins are up, especially with how frequent these discussions is, I feel that option would increase transparency for how an instance moderates so users can make informed decisions where to set up roots.
Yeah that’d be nice. Modlog has always left much to be desired. Although the core concept is great, it’s not fleshed out enough to be as useful as it should be. Sometimes it can even be weaponized by rogue mods to slander certain users. Because when you ban someone, that mod action is permanent and you get to put whatever text you want as the ban reason.
It definitely needs work but I can understand other things taking priority, considering most users will never interact with the modlog anyway.
It’s happened to me, I have gotten banned from communities just because I was banned from other communities, one of them even says “check the modlog”
I guess on the bright side at least it shows the text of the comments that got removed right there, and links directly to the thread. So people can easily verify for themselves whether they would agree with the ban or not. It’s more of an annoyance than anything, they can put whatever reason they want for banning you, but they can’t edit your comments or control the words you actually wrote down. So if you stand by what you wrote and others agree with your perspective, it just makes the mod look bad and they can also get removed for abusing mod powers.
In some ways, I think context also matters. For example, you can debate a topic theologically in a different manner to politically. So for example, “dancing is a sin in flaxifarianism, and we should hold to flaxifarian values within our temples” in a flaxifarianism community is different to saying “dancing should be politically outlawed” in a general community, or worse, one dedicated to dancing.
Some instances operate on an allowlist rather than just blindly being open, but honestly the number of problem instances is much lower than you might expect. Most are just wide open. Spinning up an instance will cost you some time and a domain, so it’s not exactly a zero cost effort.
Honestly I have no idea what “chan” has to do with this, I only know it as the japanese honorific. Edit: Oh, chan like 4chan? That one didn’t occur to me.
Chan is short for channel
“Chan boards” are a thing. 4chan wasn’t even the first.
That was a question I asked our admins. When a new instance spins up is there any kind of probationary or quarantine period? Nope, not really. 😔
Apparently it’s an option. I’m assuming that means it can be changed later, I can’t imagine it being locked in.
That’s just the nature of the internet. On the contrary, I can say that someone can just sign up for normal instances en masse and spread hate speech
They can…
But on a well maintained instance they get banned pretty fast. Like, less than an hour if they’re vote botting.
That’s why the problem is smaller instances that aren’t well maintained, either because admins don’t care or aren’t able.
On those since the home instance doesn’t act, the burden falls on the admins of every other instance to eventually ban each account.
Like,batelnback a second.
Think of it as admin who is putting their money and equipment up for this…
That is why I’m shocked they don’t defed already, it’s the only solution and the longer they wait the more trolls it attracts. Because they’ll assume they’ll get weeks/months out of it again.
You stamp trolls out quick or shit gets out of hand.