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Alright, nobody is allowed to use the word “quietly” in headlines anymore!
And here’s the thing most people miss:
~robots are writing this junk~
Can I apply for an exemption?
Only if you do it quietly.
It should be a European project not only for NL
Just like the Fediverse, it’s actually better and healthier if more people/groups/nations host their own (whether public or private). More diversity, less centralization.
The lack of clean and transparent federation between them is certainly inconvenient but is not a permanent roadblock, it is simply a known and well-understood technical problem that work is ongoing to solve. git itself already has very mature support for complete decentralization and decentralized workflows, it’s all of Github’s feature layers like user accounts, PR management, issue tracking, CI/CD and the various other workflow and project management layers that may need to be connected and federated across the different Forgejo-based platforms (and hopefully other platforms too in the future). Users and permissions and PRs and issue reporting are among the most critical parts, and I think they are looking at Fediverse’s ActivityPub as a method for enabling much of that.
The more large organizations that choose to build their own viable, permanent and financially stable Forgejo platforms, the more attractive and necessary proper federation between them becomes, and the more assured it will become the first-class feature it needs to be.
We are not building a mere Github replacement that drops into its centralized place, wears its shoes and follows its same path to inevitable corporate capture and enshittification. We are building a decentralized standard to be the democratic foundation for future software development and collaboration that no one can, should, or will be able to exclusively control. It’s not done yet, but this the right way for it to start so that something like SourceForge (for those old enough to remember that trainwreck) or Github never becomes a problem again.
A) It’s forgejo, so any forgejo instance (including Codeberg) can access it (since it’s federated.
B) Coordinating something like this eu-wide is much more difficult than in just the netherlands.
I don’t think forgejo is fully federated yet. Unless they had a big release in the last week.
not yet, I guess it’ll take some time to arrive there
I would like to see some form of federated CI/CD chain, like sending code to an institution for testing and getting a certificate back - maybe as a public service, maybe as a private service.
But that is a long ways off.
Another problem is language or languages, EU has what? 15 different languages and none of them will agree which language should be primary because not everyone speaks English, for me it wouldn’t be a problem i’m from the Balkans, i work and live in Germany and use German at home and at work and mainly use English on my phone, PC and while watching movies, shows, etc. so for me there is a choice of 3 different languages while my wife can speak only German so how would we all agree what language should be the primary for this project?
What do you mean, primarily? You don’t need a primary language. You can have it translated in every official language in the EU. It can be translated at scale very easily. As an EU wide project it is absolutely no trouble at all.
Don’t we have GitLab and Codeberg already? I mean I’m here for variety and choice but this isn’t grounbreaking
Hi, I’m the brave soul reading it for you.
Currently, the Dutch government’s code is spread across GitHub and GitLab, neither of which is under government oversight.
GitHub got ruled out first because it’s proprietary software, which directly conflicts with the government’s own policy of preferring open source when options are equally suitable.
GitLab made it further in the evaluation but didn’t survive it either. The issue was its open-core model, where the Community Edition is genuinely free software but the Enterprise Edition is not.
Forgejo came out on top due to its fully free and open source nature. Licensed under GPLv3+ and governed by Codeberg e.V., a democratic nonprofit, it has no enterprise tier, proprietary upsell, or vendor lock-in problems.
Oh okay. The title insinuated that they were building their own replacement so I was confused. This seems much more reasonable
uhm, this is about a Forgejo instance. Which Codeberg also uses…
That’s the genius of git: it’s not tied to any website. Pull your repo from here and push it to there and you’re cooking.
The website around it is also just optional. You can dump git repos anywhere you want.
Of course the website is helpful and adds tooling, bit it’s an extra nonetheless
Yep, amazingly flexible. If Linus had only ever made git, he’d have gone down as one of the greats.
If Linus had only ever made git, he’d have gone down as one of the greats.
As opposed to also having made the most used kernel in the world?
They’re saying he was already famous and then did another thing that would make a person famous.
It is a weird phrasing then!
Git forges provides a lot of features these days now. From Merge requests, forks, issues tracking, secret branches, to team management stuff.
A lot more stuff gets bolted onto but they are arguably more optional but for some are the point lol
Like ci/cd at the forge level is the best to me for dev centric flows
Yes, that’s true for the git repo itself, but a git forge can provide a multitude of related services, including issues and pull request management, CI/CD pipelines, wikis, static content hosting, package registries, etc. which are not as easily migrated.
Fuck yes.
why not just use codeberg?
They do use the same software. I think it is a good idea they run a separate instance, so the hosting costs are automatically covered by the government for the code they develop. This also avoids the centralization on a single provider.
Digital sovereignty. Codeberg is funding development of forgejo. Forgejo will federate to other instances. So you can have your own repo and someone on another forgejo can interact remotely. So no need for centralized platforms anymore. Power of the Fediverse! :-)
Is this an ongoing project ?
they wanna own their infra i guess. not being dependent is a good thing for a gov, and in choosing forgejo they’re basically choosing codeberg after all.
Some alternatives… codeberg.org sr.ht
Next office replacement. I use excel a lot and lately it became a dog shit.
Last week, out of the blue, I got an error saying excel cannot save this file mind you I’m saving the file on desktop.
LibreOffice exists and works very well!
Oops, I read the headline like the neanderthals are building their own github and got really curious!
I’ve worked with the Dutch. There’s no functional difference
You have angered the flooded kingdom
Krijg eens even gauw de graftyfus
Wat is het toch een mooi taaltje
Will it have blackjack and hookers?
It’s the Netherlands. It will have blackjack, hookers, weed and shrooms.
Nice! I just don’t like that only Git is supported. Mercurial also needs love.
Honest question: why use mercurial?
One reason could be that Mercurial actually is rather good.
Having alternatives is always good! And BTW, Git won not because it was better than mercurial…
Sure, at the very beginning of the launch of Git, Mercurial was better/had more features/more mature/etc.
That’s just not true after 20 years of mainstream git adoption and development today.
Mercurial is also simpler than Git and the commands are more intuitive
Neither of those observations, even if true, are an incentive for someone to migrate away from git.
They are true (I bet you never used mercurial) and you must learn how to read: Where did I wrote to migrate from Git to mercurial? Having alternatives is good
You’re proselytizing mercurial in a thread full of git users. Migration is implied in your comment, even if you didn’t literally use those words.
“Simpler” is not necessarily an improvement and might actually be a downside. “Intuitive” is not universal and might not even be accurate for other people with different experiences.
I read just fine. Maybe you must learn to chill.
If there is any such thing as perfect software, I would say Git is probably it.
Mercurial seems cool but I don’t think there’s a real reason to move away from Git unless they come up with some groundbreaking new feature that no one has even imagined yet.
Isn’t gitlab open source? I recall it was MIT license too
From TFA:
GitLab made it further in the evaluation but didn’t survive it either. The issue was its open-core model, where the Community Edition is genuinely free software but the Enterprise Edition is not.
Just use Codeberg
They’re using the same software (Forgejo)
More hosts better than one. I doubt codeberg will be able to sustain the load remaining as free as it is now when it will be popular enough that every cs student will be using it for their assignments (forgetting to gitignore their IDE cache files obviously). Or some smartasses start abusing it for free storage. I mean everything that github has to deal with currently.
IIRC their tos says it must only be used for opensource software (i don’t remember if it was enforced yet but expect that they can remove private repos at any time or make them paid feature). Same story with sourcehut
