• bampop@lemmy.world
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    The tent with the banner saying “PROVE ME WRONG” just frames the scene so perfectly

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    Not even after. He was in the middle of talking when circumstances prevented him from saying any more.

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    its too on-the-nose. historians are gonna be like: “many think Kirk was talking about gun control when he was shot but consensus is that this was ai generated”

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      Turned out to be left-leaning, ultimately.

      Gun nut with a trans-baddie gf who decided to shoot up a school event out of a toxically masculine sense of righteous pride? How is that left-leaning?

      Sometimes I think people work really hard to put this or that fringe figure somewhere on the Left/Right divide, when this guy was just armed, online, and easily ahem triggered. You could say the same thing about Luigi Mangione or Thomas Matthew Crooks. None of them fit neatly into a partisan bucket. The plurality of Americans don’t fit neatly.

      Unlike with Charlie, this shot went over my head.

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        Yeah what the other guy replied to you.

        Not my joke, originally though. But yeah, it’s a joke. Ofc he wasn’t in any way politically leftist.

        Also I agree with you and would describe myself an advocate of non-partisan politics but in this day and age I do mostly identify as a leftist in most contexts, because I’m not gonna do the whole “both sides” shit when the world looks like this.

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          I’m not gonna do the whole “both sides” shit when the world looks like this.

          I think there is a real and genuinely positive inclination among people to look at the state of the world in horror and say “We have to all band together to do something about it”. But I also can’t help notice that some of the people in the room claiming “We’re here to help” are wearing Raytheon lanyards and Palantir branded backpacks and Crypto sweater vests and Israeli flag lapel pins.

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            I think there is a real and genuinely positive inclination among people to look at the state of the world in horror and say “We have to all band together to do something about it”.

            Agreed. Which is why I advocate non-partisan politics.

            But in general conversation, I’m gonna heavily condemn the right, because cmon, gestures vaguely at everything.

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              I advocate non-partisan politics.

              Okay, but what if I’ve got a group of friends, we all agree on a course of action, and we plan to pursue our political interest collectively as a party? Should we just… not?

              But in general conversation, I’m gonna heavily condemn the right, because cmon, gestures vaguely at everything.

              I think the modern Republican Party has openly embraced fascist rhetoric in a country where liberals and conservatives alike have become all too accepting of fascist policy. The end result has been anti-fascists initially piling into liberal partisan organizations (particularly under Obama) only to discover them totally unresponsive to public pressure unless the person making demands was a mega-donor or corporate chief.

              When you look at governors like Gavin Newsom openly flirting with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon, while senators like Chuck Schumer continue to defend and even outright endorse genocide of colored populations from Algeria to The Philippines, its very hard to see where “the right” in this country ends and “real liberalism” begins.

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                Should we just… not?

                If you live in a country with partisan democracy, you absolutely should.

                What I advocate for and what is actually feasible atm are two different things. Like I’d possibly advocate for a world government, given some things were properly fixed. But since they aren’t, and I don’t see everyone getting suddenly enlightened, I realise national defence policies are still a thing.

                Si vis pacem, para bellum.

                In other words, I’m a conditional pacifist. I advocate for peace, but I would also take up a gun if I deem it necessary for defending my country from invaders. (And I am actually a trained sergeant in the reserves, so that’s not just me saying it, me doing that would be enforced by the MP’s even if I didn’t want to go)

                I think the modern Republican Party has openly embraced fascist rhetoric in a country where liberals and conservatives alike have become all too accepting of fascist policy. The end result has been anti-fascists initially piling into liberal partisan organizations (particularly under Obama) only to discover them totally unresponsive to public pressure unless the person making demands was a mega-donor or corporate chief.

                Which is very much why I condemn them. And from a European POV, even your left is pretty right a lot of the times, especially on social and economic policies.

                The Philippines, its very hard to see where “the right” in this country ends and “real liberalism” begins.

                Yeah well that’s sort of the issue, and which is why I can’t currently identify as a non-partisan. Even though I’m not even American, but like in general discourse, especially when a lot of it’s happening online where American is a context usually.

                If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.

                — Desmond Tutu

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        Your missing the joke lol the other person is talking about Charlie Kirk being left leaning. He slumped to the left after getting shot making him “left leaning” in the end.

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    People downplay gun violence all the time tho when it comes to either of those two things:

    • Police violence
    • Violence that happens in “the hood” (or whatever racist term people pull out)

    Like, a lot of gun control is just made to protect those who aren’t victims of either of those and are instead affluent suburban whites. The obsession with certain types of firearms, the obsession with the idea that ANY LAW no matter how bad it is will save at least one person, and all of those laws giving the police exemptions to own what liberals call “weapons of war” for free while regular people aren’t allowed to have them are clear examples of it.

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    I don’t know enough about Shinzo Abe to know if death-by-doohickey is the same type of cosmic poetry or if this person is just ranking it high for the other obvious reasons (such as the doohickey).

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      Abe’s assassin was a alt right incel who turned down that path because his mother gave all the family’s money, including his college savings, to a cult. At a certain point, he realized that the right wing leaders he turned to were in cahoots with the cult, and he directed his anger to them.

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        It’s a really crazy relationship between Korean Evangelicals and Japanese Zaibatsu that produced the Abe (and now Takaichi) governments. Lots of money changing hands, lots of people being ground up in toxic and abusive socio-economic relationships, lots of scams of every variety. And they all feed into the miserable work-life balance that produces historically low rates of families forming and children being born.

        It would be like an ex-Scientology guy wacking Tom Cruise or John Travolta.

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      I believe the irony may be that Shinzo Abe and his LDP party have pushed ultranationalist policies, and he himself has been vocally anti-Korean multiple times, eg his demand that South Korea have ‘confort women’ statues removed worldwide as part of a comfort women reparations deal being discussed with SK (they were rightfully pissed). Except in his support for the cultish Unification Church (the ‘Moonies’), whom are South Korean founded and well known for excessive financial exploitation of their members, not unlike the Scientologists. He was then killed by an assassin who held him culpable for the Moonies taking advantage of his mother to drain her life savings in church donations to secure her afterlife.

      So, ultranationalist-party anti-Korean PM assassinated because of his support of a Korean cult-church. Ironic, poetic.

      P.S. take his ‘anti-Korea stance’ with a grain of salt though as I can’t provide very good sources because what I’ve read is (poorly) translated summary links to news articles in Korean, and I don’t know Korean. But the general vibe is they did not like him one bit.

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      I don’t know much either, but it was unexpectedly funny when I heard a Japanese grandma I know say “Arigatou, Shooter-san. Wish you would’ve done it sooner though.”

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      i think it refers to Abe being shot by a homemade gun. doohickey can refer to crude, handmade devices

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    Based on what I’ve heard, the shooter was using a type of gun that’s only effective over longer distances. I do wonder how they were able to time the shot so perfectly. Although I have no idea how guns work

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      Life is stranger than fiction. We’ve all experienced moments in real life that would be considered bad, cheesy writing if we wrote them ourselves.

      As far as “only effective over longer distances” is concerned, that’s just not a thing. Like, sure, I wouldn’t bring a hunting/sniper rifle to a close-quarters situation, and it would mean the overall setup would be pretty ineffective, but the weapon itself does not have an “effective minimum distance”.

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      That type of gun is called a “rifle”, and it’s typically considered most effective at distances greater than ~3 feet. Any closer and you might need to step back to avoid smacking the target with the barrel.

      Guns don’t really have “effective ranges” like is often portrayed. Close range guns are usually close range because they’re physically larger, not because of the movement of the bullet. A gun you need to point upwards to carry up stairs is not as good if you might need to fight on stairs. Likewise, if someone is close enough to grab the barrel you probably want a weapon that they can’t do that to.
      Weapons with longer barrels can often accelerate a bullet longer, giving it more power and accuracy. That’s why they tend to be viewed as distance weapons.

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      This isn’t Battlefield. Guns don’t have a specific range where they’re more deadly, in fact every bullet fired gets weaker over distance the moment it leaves the barrel. From there the thing that matters is projectile drag, barrel length, type of rifling, and the gunpowder load.

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      One part practice, one part luck. Kirk was seated stock still had his attention fixed on his debate opponent, so this was probably an easier shot than the one that domed JFK, coming around a slow curve at Dealy Plaza.

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      A gun is just a tiny mechanical cannon. Explosives launch a bit of lead really really fast. Every gun does this, and I promise that lead doesn’t care how far or close, if it gets you your gonna have a bad day.