cross-posted from: https://piefed.zip/c/news/p/1395876/streamer-troll-johnny-somali-found-guilty-on-all-counts-sentenced-to-south-korean-prison-l
Ramsey Khalid Ismael — better known as Johnny Somali, the infamous American streamer arrested in Japan, Israel, and South Korea for his provocative behavior — has been imprisoned in South Korea.
Only 6 months tho we think
six months in a South Korean work camp filled with actual criminals that have a great disdain for foreigners. oh, they racists too.
I think he’ll leave SK and never come back when he’s finally released.
He will also be a registered sex offender and not allowed back.
FAFO 4 U LOL
HELL YEAH
Apparently he kissed a statue of a woman that was built as a memorial to all the south Korean women that were raped by the Japanese during their colonial rule. In case anyone was wondering what he did to end up in jail.
I’m willing to bet he knew exactly what that statue was a memorial for.
“and performing lap dances on said statue” per the linked article
fuuuuk this guy
too bad it wasn’t where they cane you for stupid shit
I would watch that video
There’s a reason these little piss bucket streamers don’t pull this shit in places like UAE or Saudi Arabia. You won’t get six months. You just don’t come back. Ever.
Good riddance to the little cunt. I hope he gets his asshole resized real good.
Because they are slave states with no regards for human rights?
You have an insanely distorted view of the world.
Yeah, especially when the penalty is reduced or waived according to how closely related you are to the king.
Always find it absolutely fucking bizarre when people wish rape on others in the context of justice or social decency. Like rape is a suitable punishment or something.
“You did crime/bad thing! Hope you have crimes committed against you in prison!”
Somali is a shitbag but no where near as bad as a rapist.
like yeah wow that’s an entirely horrific statement
you can’t just wish rape on people like that’s an okay thing. especially if they’re literally not even a rapist themself. johnny somali is a scumbag nuisance troll but he’s not like an actually dangerous person. this is a very concerning approach to the topic of sexual assault, like i think it says a lot about the person saying it
His crimes are literally insulting victims of rape
Since when is insulting the same as actual physically raping someone?
So? Not being an arsehole here, in relation to my reply, what is your point?
Pain is the only language some understand. It’s unfortunate but it’s true.
Man rape doesn’t really have any grey areas. Either you
A. Think no one deserves to be raped, think it’s never justified and is wrong.
B. Disagree with one or more of A.
Guess which group rapist belong in? You could have said “I hope he gets beaten to a pulp” or anything similar but you chose a grossly enthusiastic form of “I hope he gets raped”. Literally rapist mentality to think it’s ever justifiable. What do you think the perpetrators in your scenario would do it to Somali because of justice? No. Because he could either justify it to himself or others. Your outlook on justice and punishment is that of a high schooler.
Literally rapist mentality to think it’s ever justifiable.
agreed like hell. like… what the fuck?
Yeah even it being the internet aside, wild people don’t see saying shit like this for the self report that it is and it getting upvotes.
You should inform yourself about the Japanese justice and prison system
Serial killers in the same prison might say that it is against the Geneva convention to have a person like him in the same cell block.
Just cut his balls off and send him up North.
I don’t think north Korea would keep him as prisoner. Unlike Otto Warmbier he has no fans or sympathy from anyone, so no Western politician would gain anything from negotiating his release with North Korea.
I’ll be glad when everyone forgets about this guy in two days and I don’t have to see his dumb face in my feed anymore.
Literally never heard of them until just now.
"I know for a fact that I’m not going to go to jail. Not one day in jail. I’m going to laugh my ass off when all these motherf***ers are saying I’m going for 30 years, 20 years, five years, 10 years. I’m not even going to do one day, bro. They’ll give me a fine and say, ‘Don’t come back to Korea.’ You’re the one that’s going to look so dumb when I don’t get any jailtime or anything. Bro, I’m going to laugh like a f**king villain.
amazing.
He got 6 months, so he wasn’t too far off, unfortunately.
at the end of the day, his only crime is being annoying. He didn’t kill someone, didn’t steal anything, etc. So 6months seems fair.
And it’s six months of hard labor without access to a smartphone. He’ll either lose his mind or actually reconsider his life choices.
Plus he had to register as a sex offender in Korea, and thus has to register in America on his return or face 10y, so who’s got money on him failing to register?
Under the Trump administration I don’t think he will have any problems with not registering.
He’s not white though
If we’re lucky, he will annoy the wrong person and get the shit kicked out of him. Maybe he’ll learn.
Labour camp is exactly what he needs
This guy is like a reverse hostage. Countries will threaten to release him if they don’t get what they want.
It’s an SCP. The containment procedure is to livestream his location at all times and make it legal for everyone to beat him up.
Maybe outlawing people needs to come back as a penalty.
The great tragedy is that S Korea commuted his 3 year potential sentence to just 6 months.
Appeal is still possible and likely. But yea I agree, it’s a crazy low sentence
For a nonviolent crime?
Punitive justice isn’t justice. In the case a short sentence is appropriate. He’s punished for 6 months and then barred from the country. How would the cost of 3 years of imprisonment benefit South Korean citizens? Seems like an unnecessary cost.
My opinion would change if it was a violent crime.
And don’t misinterpret me. I don’t like the guy at all, I just dislike governments and unnecessarily long prison sentences more
I would generally agree with you. Unfortunately this is the system we have and I will admit, there is a personal pleasure in seeing consequences for this shit. In general I am also for prison abolition and restorative justice. I’m not as principled on this as I would like, I guess. That’s definitely a point for me to keep working on. I do however wonder what would make someone like this… rehabilitate.
Having said that, I will say the sharing of sexual deepfakes is definitely violent in an already extremely misogynist world where violence against women is often based on ideas of ownership of women’s bodies and violence. There is a specific sort of violence to it that I can not fully comprehend as a masc person, but that is definitely violent in nature. Not just violating, but explicitly violent. This act only further contributes to the underlying violence of misogyny, I think is what I’m getting at.
Thanks btw for your response, I think you make a good point.
Oh wait a minute I only heard about the statue bit, the deepfakes does change my mind a bit. It’s certainly not victimless in that case. I’m still not comfortable with 3 years, but more than 6 months seems more appropriate in thay case
Yeah he got off really light apparently. The prosecution wanted 3 years so 6 months seems way off. Makes an appeal seem almost inevitable.
“Legal Mind” YouTube channel is apparently working within the 7 day appeal window to try to increase that to 2 years.
You can do that?
Apparently so.
Wow, I never even knew that was a thing
He is going in a boy And will come out a hole man
okay. controversial opinion time
this was all extremely dickish troll behavior but i don’t think A PRISON CAMP is necessarily the most rehabilitative experience. punitive justice doesn’t fucking work and nobody deserves to be put through A PRISON LABOR CAMP regardless of how much of an annoyance they were being
in an ideal world there would mechanisms in place to educate this fuckhead without needlessly traumatizing and brutalizing him. sensitivity training. cultural education. empathy and dignity. true justice that will actually change his behavior
but prison camp? i bet he’s gonna come outta this twice as much an enormous douchebag
OTOH maybe this will ground him a bit more and he will be a more self-reflective douchebag.
Bad take
I don’t know. Maybe a few weeks behind a rock with a whip behind his back might teach him to be mindful of where he is the next time he’s going to act like an idiot
he has done this many times, and not in korea too.
I agree with your sentiment but when a human being is this antagonistic towards every country he visits then it’s justified. Definitely a slipper slope moment but just look at this:
Ismael was certain he wouldn’t be imprisoned, saying in a stream: "I know for a fact that I’m not going to go to jail. Not one day in jail. I’m going to laugh my ass off when all these motherf***ers are saying I’m going for 30 years, 20 years, five years, 10 years. I’m not even going to do one day, bro. They’ll give me a fine and say, ‘Don’t come back to Korea.’ You’re the one that’s going to look so dumb when I don’t get any jailtime or anything. Bro, I’m going to laugh like a f**king villain.
“I did go there. I recognized all the charges. I said I was guilty. I did say all that s**t because it’s going to be a fine. I’m just going to pay it and leave. You can’t go to jail for this s**t. You can’t.”
It’s so hard to be sympathetic to this piece of trash.
Its almost impossible to have not at least sentenced him to 1 day after something like that if a prison sentence is legitimately on the table.
He’s a douchebag that’s used to acting as such without consequences (or even with profit). A prison labor camp sounds like exactly the sort of wakeup call this guy needs
Its not about punishing the guy. It is about sending a message that this will not be tolerated. Also, different cultures are different, culturally.
different cultures are different, culturally.
i’m pretty sure torture is just as brutal in every culture. something merely being a cultural difference doesn’t immediately make it worthy of keeping around. for example, should we respect japanese culture’s weird obsession with sexualizing underage characters? NO! it being different than what we’re used to doesn’t automatically make it okay
Yea, when something that is apart of your culture causes harm to others, it shouldn’t be apart of your culture. Phase it out. Acknowledge it, but phase it out and teach why you phased it out.
We should strive for kindness and care when it comes to culture both of our own and others.
The spoiler is he won’t learn the lessons he needs to learn from a labor camp. Even in the most idealized form of a labor camp.
Sadly true. I won’t lie, I hope by the thinnest of hopes that he does change. I’d never shy from someone wanting to be a better person…dependent on what they have done. But that’s just my opinion.
We just need to give those who commit crimes the tools to heal and learn from the hurt they caused. We don’t generally, and various unideal things happen after people are released from humiliating, degrading, dehumanizing, and exploitative conditions.
Not getting caught when they do their next crime or hurt the next person is likely on a lot of people’s minds. It’s happened with my sibling who just continued to escalate their behavior after every incarceration. They never learned their lesson. They never got offered real help. Their life is a revolving door of hurting others and losing their freedom for brief spells. They have no starting point to begin to understand the hurt that they routinely cause. They can’t get a job and participate in society even if they wanted to get better and do things right because they face discrimination in hiring and their opportunities are limited.
Personally, I feel that punishment just amplifies the violence and dysfunction, especially in the horrid conditions of the US prison system and forced labor camps like the story we are discussing. Being discriminated against in employment/not being offered opportunities/given a chance by society locks them into crime and destitution. I just can’t honestly imagine that brings the good out of many people…
Please… he got 6 months for all the shit he pulled. It was so much more than just dickish trolling.
He deserved far more. He got off easy. But it serves two purposes. For one, korea got their message across. Don’t come here to fuck around. And second, they don’t want to pay for him being in their prison.
In an ideal world, people don’t pull this shit to begin with. So we’re already well past an “ideal world scenario”. It’s not this guys first rodeo. These people will never learn unless they face some real, actual consequences.
Yeah. The prosecutors were pushing 3 years. I think he deserves MORE than 6 months.
I have to agree with the last guy. Ideal world, to me, means people can get the support they need to resolve their issues. Ideal isn’t utopia, it’s just as good as we should be doing as a society.
I also think people should get help to resolve their issues.
This guy’s issue is that he’s just an asshole that never faced any real consequences for his actions and therefore thinks it’s ok to go and fuck with people.
This wasn’t his first rodeo. Japan gave him a slap on the wrist and deported him. Clearly it wasn’t enough.
I don’t think expecting people to behave themselves whilst traveling is approaching utopia. That’s just common decency.
Instead of prison where we know people commonly experience rape, abuse, neglect, and forced labor — imagine he was forced to live in some new branch of punitive enforcement that sits between prison and mental asylum. A place where he’s forced to sit with counselors, therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists… imagine he’s treated with dignity as a human, like something is clearly wrong with him, and like we can actually help solve that problem directly for him. He could be sentenced to this place for something like “at most 2 years, unless the authority believes he’s ready earlier.” It’s like a conversion camp, but to help immoral people understand why they might want to act morally within society. Wouldn’t that be a little more ideal than something like prison?
Edit: could even follow-up release with required training for personal finance, hospitality, and the like… to include community service hours and required check-in with a probation officer that works with mental health professionals.
You seem to be under the impression that he’s anything other than just a giant asshole. He walks around streaming himself disturbing and fucking with strangers. He know his actions are wrong. He knows he’s being an asshole. He has admitted as much with no shame. He doesn’t care.
I don’t think what you described would be more ideal than prison. I think prison is exactly the place that was constructed just for cases like his. Maybe this time he will learn.
And hopefully others will think twice before trying to be a copycat
You seem to be under the impression that he’s anything other than just a giant asshole.
Yeah, actually. I don’t believe in essences. Under my personal philosophy, we humans are more like information perturbation machines with extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. It’s close to saying you aren’t anything except the uniquely weighted combination of all your prior experiences, having been processed through the human scope of awareness and memory (if distinguishing the two is even fair here).
That said, nobody is nothing except “just a giant asshole.” I mean that physically, you can’t. You’re stuck in a constant state of becoming something, not being something, which is a necessary consequence of having your human awareness.
The boys deviance from our expectations has to do with his upbringing. We should be able to use specialist services to counterweight that upbringing. And I’d go as far to say, we really should be taking this approach to punishment. Because our current version of just hiding them away in an isolated brick room where nobody except similar deviants and Correction Officers can reach them… that in particular is a rather barbaric approach, in my opinion.
I think prison is exactly the place that was constructed just for cases like his. Maybe this time he will learn.
And what about being “constructed just for cases like this” means it was the right approach? The concentration camps in the holocaust were also constructed for purpose, yet I hope you wouldn’t use the same argument for those.
You’re stuck in a constant state of becoming something, not being something, which is a necessary consequence of having your human awareness.
Yeah well he is in a constant state of becoming an even bigger asshole.
It’s sounds like a beautiful philosophy you have. But it’s just not applicable to how the world looks like.
And no. I would not use the same argument for fucking nazi concentration camps. Which is a really dumb strawman but you know what. Just for you.
They were not constructed to punish and reform. They were constructed to murder people. People whose only crime was not being “German”.
You think they’re similar in any way to a South Korean prison? If not, why even being it up?
Link shared by somebody else down below, but it’s not really a labor camp as you might be thinking. It’s more of a rehabilitation into the workforce program.
https://www.corrections.go.kr/corrections_eng/1905/subview.do
I know this would be cruel and unusual but live stream him the entire time and donate proceeds to relevant charities.
