Four years after Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russian economy is showing clear signs of structural exhaustion. The contours of a genuine economic endgame are coming into view for Russia. This is the finding of a new Kiel Report published by the Kiel Institute for the World Economy and the Stockholm Institute of Transition Economics.
    • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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      4 months ago

      So you think that is supposed to be the end goal? Maybe you can think juuust 1 step further.

      Again “just asking questions”. If you want to make a point. Fucking make it. Fuck off with this “just asking questions” bullshit.

      And yes, weakening Russia’s war making capabilities is the fucking end goal.

      Europe was perfectly happy with Russia having a strong economy to buy European goods and sell them cheap gas. There is no other end goal.

      I said they’re ramping up ballistic missile attacks, which they are. I said nothing about the front, drone attacks or whatever. The point was that they still have plenty of production capabilities to ramp these up despite all these sanctions and years of costly war.

      Yeah, completely ignoring the fact that they’d be able to produce much more without the sanctions. Also why are cruise missile attacks dropping? Maybe because they can’t keep up production because of sanctions? funny that.

      And supposedly having hit their limit

      According to whom?

      The only quote you made was Von der Leyen, who didn’t fucking say that, did she?

      which is what we’ve been hearing for years now

      No we haven’t.

      So yeah, I don’t believe the boy who cried wolf this time.

      If you hear “wolf” when people say something else, that’s on you.

      When the f did I say I was “just asking questions No, I made a statement.

      A comment with nothing but questions you know the answer to but imply the answer is something else. That is exactly the definition of “just asking questions”. And you do it in other places as well.

      What is the point of the sanctions?

      The war hasn’t ended, has it?

      Not a statement, is it?

        • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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          4 months ago

          Here are a whole bunch of people claiming exactly that:

          No they don’t, have you even read those articles?

          They make claims that are completely factual.

          Not the comment you initially replied to, is it? Disingenuous #3

          The original comment I replied to had a quote of Von der Leyen that you implied was making claims it didn’t.

          You know the end goal is to stop the war. That hasn’t happened.

          And you keep implying that sanctions aren’t having the effect of bringing that end sooner, which they do.

          So the message that they have hit their war economy limits is false

          You cannot possibly know if they’ve hit their limits because you can’t see the future. So you cannot say that this message is false.

          You keep saying that people have made that claim before, and it was false then, so it must be false now. But as your own sources show, nobody made this claim before.

            • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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              4 months ago

              I have, have you? And here I was thinking asking questions was illegal.

              Quote from the first article you posted

              Not only is Russia far from being penniless, its economy is growing

              So no, it’s not saying that the economy has reached its limits, who you have not “heard it before”

              it supports the opposite of the point you’re trying to make.

                • Vergissmeinnicht@lemmy.caEnglish
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                  4 months ago

                  And none of those said that Russia’s economy had reached its limits, as you claim.

                  “Yale’s Jeffrey Sonnenfeld and his four co-authors declared that “business retreats and sanctions are catastrophically crippling  the Russian economy.”

                  Looking ahead, there is no path out of economic oblivion for Russia

                  “looking ahead”

                  “Predictions of Russia’s economic meltdown continued into 2023, with the New Republic diagnosing Russia as “going broke fast”

                  In time, Putin will run out of economic bullets

                  “in time”

                  And

                  “Business Insider editors describing Russia’s economy as “spiraling”

                  That one just says that the car industry is falling apart, which was true and the auto industry is now pretty much dead.

                  “One of Putin’s own oligarchs, Oleg Deripaska, predicted in March 2023 that Russia may run out of money in 2024”

                  A Russian businessman worried about his wealth, really?

                  So the article you linked doesn’t say what you think it says and links to articles cherry picking quotes to pretend they are saying something they don’t.

                  But yeah, it’s becoming clear why you think you’ve been hearing that Russia’s economy has hit its limits because you’re actively sectively reading stuff to pretend that’s what people are saying.