United States President Donald Trump says Washington had armed Iranian opposition groups and protesters during mass antigovernment demonstrations in December and January, in which thousands of people were killed during crackdowns by government forces.

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    Trump “confirms” so many things, but few of them are true. None of Iranian Kurdish parties have confirmed receiving arms.

    The absolutely only instance I have seen of protesters in Iran being armed with firearms (and I’ve watched a lot of footage), was a day-time protest in the Kurdish-majority mountainous borderland. Since there was a risk of authorities spilling blood, 4 old guys (appearance well over 50 years of age) in traditional clothing were present at a protest in an open area, carrying hunting rifles which looked older than the guys. They could have, theoretically, bought time for others to escape by offering some counter-fire for a minute or two. But on that protest, authorities did not attack. Probably because the whole town was Kurdish and cops decided to stay home.

    Also I apologize for re-posting, but:

    Kurdish Iranian opposition groups deny claims of receiving weapons from US

    Mohammed Nazif Qaderi, a senior official from the opposition Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI), told Rudaw that “those statements made are baseless and we haven’t received any weapons.

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    Kako Aliyar, a member of the leadership committee of the Kurdish Iranian opposition party Komala, told Rudaw that "as our own party, no weapons have come to us and we haven’t received anything, we’re not even aware of the matter.

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    Amjad Hussein Panahi, head of communications for Komala of the Toilers of Kurdistan, also told Rudaw, “We assure you we haven’t received a single bullet or weapon from any country or place, and we’re not aware of the existence of such a thing; what we have is our own.”

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    Hamno Naqshbandi, a member of the general command of the Kurdistan National Army affiliated with the Kurdistan Freedom Party (PAK), said that “Donald Trump’s message is unclear to us. What is there is that we as our army have in no way received weapons from the US or any other country, not even a single bullet."

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      No, not great. Destabilizing a region is not good foor the folks who live there.

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          Given the track record of the impact this has had on the locals whenever the US has done this, however justified the dissidents’ cause, I completely agree with you. It has brought us such beauties as Suharto, Pinochet, and the silent holocaust. Glad we could find some common ground here.

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            Yes, giving arms to the Kurds, who have repeatedly provided armed forces to assist us in fighting ISIL and other military operations=Pinochet 🙄

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              Look, each time, in the past, arguments like this existed, and each time we sent arms, the region ended up in a fucked state. But let’s not learn from history.

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      It’s not even about liking them or not. I would like them to have autonomy, but they’d have to be kind of stupid to fall for US “friendship” again. They have been used as pawns when convenient, and then abandoned later.

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    Aljazeera

    I really believe that Trump is able to do the most stupid things, sane people cannot even come up with. But I would very much like to see a credible source before I believe that.

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        Like all news orginizations, Al Jazeera is shit when you compare it to the platonic ideal of news. However, when you compare it to Western media, it’s solidly middle of the pack. During the Gaza genocide, it was the Al Jazeera reporters who were on the ground and targeted for death.

        The biggest criticism of Al Jazeera is the race/religion of it’s reporters. People are going to show up to tell me that it’s Qatari state-run. But those same people don’t feel the same about DW, BBC, or NPR.

        The best evidence for Al Jazeera’s credibility is they are constantly being banned in Israel for reporting on that regime’s crimes.

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      7 days ago

      Claims that he’s “personally funding” “Taiwan Independence”

      How would that materialize? Because if it’s by selling weapons, they’ve never been shy about it.

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      The Kurds should trust the US again. How does the saying go?

      Trust them eight times and get betrayed every single time, trust them again and get betrayed just for old times sake - Unknown western diplomat

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    There is no protester fighting for justice alive or dead that Trump would help. He wants everyone not with him dead…

    Iranian civilians.

    Americans that refuse his rule.

    Everyone. Everyone what opposes his little pp bullshit.

    He wants all of us dead. Not calm, quiet, or silent. He wants us dead.

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      He’s a clown that’s what makes it probable he said the quiet part out loud which no other POTUS was dumb enough to admit in the open.

      You got a point though, with all that bullshit coming from him we can’t decide what might be true between all those lies and shouldn’t chose based on our world view.

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    Here’s how these things happen: there is dissatisfaction with the government-- in this case, yes general unhappiness with the theocracy, but acutely with severe economic strain brought about by draconian sanctions. This situation, engineered in part by external forces, is then amplified and aggravated by those same external forces. This doesn’t mean that the majority of those on the streets were agents of the US/Israel, but there were absolutely those agents there. Israel explicitly admitted as much at the time. That situation was absolutely the beginning stage of the war.

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    Well… Technically, he didn’t say they were successfully armed. He said there was an attempt made but he thought the arms didn’t make it to the protesters.

    Edit: Still seems like a big deal for it to be confirmed in any sense.