Which also led to countless war, murder and torture campaigns.
I don’t think it’s unique in that. Before oil, we fought over land, food, spices, tea, steel, gold, and silver.
Recall that the modern nation state came out of the Peace of Westphalia that followed the Thirty Years’ War. Just over 2 centuries before that was the Hundred Years’ War.
Think of all the wars Romans fought trying to colonize and subjugate everyone. As well all the wars trying to defend themselves from the Carthaginians and the Persians and even the many uprisings of their slaves.
Let’s not forget all the wars in Asia! The Warring States period of Chinese history lasted over 250 years. The Sengoku period of Japan was also marked by over a century of frequent warfare.
The Egyptians and their many wars against the Nubians. The Zulu Empire of Shaka. The Aztecs and their wars to obtain sacrificial victims. The Mongolian Empire. The Comanche Empire. The Inca Empire. The Babylonian Empires. The Assyrian Empires.
On and on and on and on it goes. Empires and wars all the way back to the beginning of organized society (even before agriculture). Humans fight. It’s why we form gangs and get visceral thrills from violence. Violence is taboo in modern society for a reason: it’s not just dangerous and damaging to social order, it’s addictive.
I’d agree but oil is absolutely next level to all of that. Entire countries are basically held hostage by energy supply which was never the case before. You could cut off trade and that’s the worst thing you could do but now you can fundamentally disable the entire country as oil is so fundamental to everything.
Oil was such a massive security mistake that we’re still collectively recovering from it.
funny, but not “ha ha” funny
Then explain why I wet myself?
now this is funny; “ha ha” funny
Aye. Now give me your gold for it.
If you don’t, I’ll send my legions to kill your youth.
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Why am I cross-posting .ml content?
I cross-post from .ml to the nearest relevant non-.ml comm to reduce the influence of .ml comms and indirectly, the instance as a whole, to make it an easier decision for other instance admins to defederate because one key reason I identified that admins don’t want to defederate is because .ml still has some very large comms and some niche comms.
Some highlights from the link:
"Don’t worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
“See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn’t count!!” ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342
.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558 The original transphobic Comment from Nutomic: https://lemmy.world/post/18236068
“NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
“If you don’t support Russia then you just don’t understand geopolitics” ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And so so much documentation on clear heavy handed censorship and bias also on the link. So much I can’t even put them all here because this comment would be really long.
I believe the behavior of its admins (the main admins are Lemmy devs) does harm to the overall growth of the Lemmy-verse and maybe even the Thrediverse (since Lemmy kinda kicked off the Thrediverse) because of its association with the devs of Lemmy and their insistence to use .ml as their personal political platform to spread harmful propaganda
On the outside, bringing up Lemmy frequently leads to comments like “Lemmy? Isn’t that the place with a bunch of tankies?” Or “Tried Lemmy, but found it full of pro Russia crap so I left”. The best way forward from that I see is to either widely defederate from .ml like the rest of the Triad, or pressure them to put a fair and unbiased as possible admin team.
Why use so many accounts? Don’t give me the “I’m supporting smaller instances” take. It’s not supporting smaller instances when you make them look like they’re part of your spam network. If it’s to create communities on them, why not just post to them specifically? Why post to one of the larger instances with a million accounts?
It only serves to make it look like you’re a spam network while also making it next to impossible to block your posts. Users will try to block you, think they’ve successfully curated their feeds, only to have you turn up again. It’s not a great Lemmy experience.
It also is not a good look to strip any reference to the OP, cross posts exist for a reason. It just makes it look like you’re stealing people’s posts and trying to make them your own.
Why use so many accounts? Don’t give me the “I’m supporting smaller instances” take. It’s not supporting smaller instances when you make them look like they’re part of your spam network.
I’ve told you before my reasons, if you choose not believe them, that’s on you, maybe you’d like me to just make something up that fits better with your predetermined narrative?
- Promoting smaller instances, because of the volume of my posting it helps makes smaller instances more recognizable
- Making comms on fitting smaller instances (e.g. a programming comm id make on programming.dev)
- Mitigating against the imposter problem
- Better interconnecting smaller instances
It only serves to make it look like you’re a spam network while also making it next to impossible to block your posts. Users will try to block you, think they’ve successfully curated their feeds, only to have you turn up again. It’s not a great Lemmy experience.
Unintended unfortunate side effect, if I truly wanted to dodge the people blocking me or wanted to make a “spam network” why on earth would I use a widely recognizable username? If I wanted to do such things I would generate unrelated usernames and make a million accounts that way. Each account would last much much longer. This method would be the dumbest possible implementation of it lmfao
Plus, it would be a whole hell of a lot easier to just setup shop on a larger instance and call it a day, it’s a lot more work to need to sub to all the comms these smaller instances are missing when I need to post to them, among other random small issues lol
It also is not a good look to strip any reference to the OP, cross posts exist for a reason. It just makes it look like you’re stealing people’s posts and trying to make them your own.
All crossposts show in the crosspost section of your relevant client:
Text posts which have no link to lock onto get a username tag in the post, OC gets a username tag regardless
To be very clear here, I did not call you a spam network or spammer nor did I intend to do so. I said that it’s what your accounts look like at first glance to users that don’t know who you are. Lividweasel is saying this very thing, that they thought you were a spammer of some kind at first. This, and your unintended side effect of making Lemmy more challenging to curate, is really the main thing I’ve mentioned time and time again. I’m glad you’re at least willing to acknowledge that it’s making it more difficult for users to curate their feeds.
I do not agree that you’re boosting other instances simply by posting from them, and I don’t think the side effect you’re creating is worth the price. Further, I would argue that most users typically do not pay attention to the instance a user is from, especially when simply upvoting a post.
I also still don’t understand why you have to use the accounts you create communities with. Why not pick a primary and only post with that account? It would eliminate the “side effect” if you did that one simple thing.
The cross posts do not show properly in my case, only sometimes do I see them on your posts. Luckily, clients like Boost add a link to their original post when I cross post. It makes the cross post always show. You can see how buggy Lemmy is regarding baked in cross post links, since almost everyone above is saying that they can’t see that in their app. Why not add your own baked in link so that everyone can see that it’s a cross post?
What do you mean “better interconnecting smaller instances”? If it’s through cross posting, I doubt it, seeing as you don’t include the cross post link for maximum effect.
I also agree with lividweasel in that I grew to have a negative view on your army of accounts. It’s not necessarily your posts, but rather the way you post with dozens of accounts. Not saying that’s deserved, but if it happened to two of us, how many others get the same views? That can easily be fixed by simply posting from one account, instead of seeming like a spam network or ban evader. The only other user that I’ve seen do this type of thing is Monk, and I know your views of him.
Keep in mind, I stopped making new accounts a while ago, I have my set of stable, but small instance accounts and I just been cycling through them over and over again, if someone wanted to block them for curation, they should not have had a problem to do so by now. And I do have plenty that I don’t post from for comm making. There are also a few floating around from my imposter problem a bit ago.
I do not agree that you’re boosting other instances simply by posting from them, and I don’t think the side effect you’re creating is worth the price. Further, I would argue that most users typically do not pay attention to the instance a user is from, especially when simply upvoting a post.
You’d be surprised, Ive definitely had people ask me about instances that I’ve posted from. Especially funnier named ones like toast.ooo
Do I have hard analyzed data? No, and it’d be pretty hard to gather such, but I’m already posting a good volume so might as well take advantage to give a boost of recognition to small instances however small it may be
The cross posts do not show properly in my case, only sometimes do I see them on your posts. Luckily, clients like Boost add a link to their original post when I cross post. It makes the cross post always show.
What do you mean “better interconnecting smaller instances”? If it’s through cross posting, I doubt it, seeing as you don’t include the cross post link for maximum effect.
These 2 problems, are kinda related to each other. A big reason a crosspost won’t show, is if the other post is on a comm that isn’t federated with your instance or hasn’t pulled that specific post yet
So basically by interconnecting instances I mean I’m encountering comms that the instance hasn’t federated with yet because nobody has subscribed from their instance to it. And nobody on that instance can see content from that comm until someone subscribes to it
The volume with which I post makes it so I’m encountering lots of those comms every day and every time I subscribe to one of them then the instance I’m on starts to get content from it as well. Lemmyverse.net is basically my bff at this point, I’m always on there checking comms and deciding the best ones lol
There’s a bot that does this automatically, but it’s not part of Lemmy proper, so there’s a myriad of reasons why it’s not as effective on smaller reasons everything from the admin just hasn’t gotten around to it to they don’t even know it exists or is needed
The only other user that I’ve seen do this type of thing is Monk, and I know your views of him.
Oh yes. UM, that wonderful user lmao. Yea, but a big difference is, none of my accounts are actually banned from anywhere with the exception of .ml (but I think that’s obvious lmao)
just been cycling through them over and over again, if someone wanted to block them for curation, they should not have had a problem to do so by now. And I do have plenty that I don’t post from for comm making.
It’s good that you’ve narrowed it down, but cycling through them will continue to cause people to think you’re somehow a spam network.
You’d be surprised, Ive definitely had people ask me about instances that I’ve posted from. Especially funnier named ones like toast.ooo
I’m not asking for hard data, to be clear, but I would still argue that for the amount of people that see your posts (a lot, since you post a lot), the amount of people asking you questions about your instances is tiny. Most users don’t even comment, so the math there doesn’t really add up.
A big reason a crosspost won’t show, is if the other post is on a comm that isn’t federated with your instance or hasn’t pulled that specific post yet
But leaving a link to the original post would always show. Just like boost automatically does. You can see an example in this post: https://infosec.pub/post/40397999
basically by interconnecting instances I mean I’m encountering comms that the instance hasn’t federated with yet because nobody has subscribed from their instance to it. And nobody on that instance can see content from that comm until someone subscribes to it
I mean, that’s fine, but you don’t need to post from the account do to that. It doesn’t even need to be named with your username since you’d never post with it to begin with. It’s already an invisible action. So again, it’s not necessary to make your username seemingly associated with negative views such as spam networks or ban evasion to help instances with this. The cons still outweigh the pros.
Yea, but a big difference is, none of my accounts are actually banned from anywhere
It’s a low bar, to be honest.
Huh, I would never have guessed that reasoning. Until now, I had just assumed all of these accounts were attempts from a spammer to get around bans or something.
It isn’t what you intended, but it comes off as super fishy. This is just one person’s opinion, but I had subconsciously developed a very negative view of this cm0002 army, and I wouldn’t be surprised if others have too.
If you’re going to continue to use a huge number of accounts, I would suggest at the very least adding an explanation on each profile so suspicious people like me can understand what we’re looking at and who we’re interacting with. A single comment like this on just one of dozens of accounts will be seen by very few.
Your goal of promoting smaller instances is admirable, but you may want to look at other ways of doing so. Ideally, it would be nice to just see a single account develop a good reputation and relationships within the Lemmyverse, but do what you feel you need to do.
If you’re going to continue to use a huge number of accounts, I would suggest at the very least adding an explanation on each profile so suspicious people like me can understand what we’re looking at and who we’re interacting with. A single comment like this on just one of dozens of accounts will be seen by very few.
Lol I was actually going to write a script to update all my accounts to have the same pfp, but I should get around to that faster so I can do this to!
Ideally, it would be nice to just see a single account develop a good reputation and relationships
I actually kinda did this with my .world account, doing everything through that account and a select few other accounts…but then that whole JordanLund debacle made me essentially abandon it so I figured I might as well float around on these smaller instances that never get attention lol
I agree with you regarding Lund, however you aren’t floating these instances around in a positive way. A positive way would be much more organic and ideally you’d only post from one to really give it the positive energy it might deserve.
All crossposts show in the crosspost section of your relevant client:
I guess the Lemmy dev team also fucked this part up, because I can’t see crosspost of this post in Jerboa, for example
I don’t see it on Mlem either
Appreciate your work!
.ml needs to be defeated as it’s a cesspool of flavored fascists.
Thank you for doing this
it’s such a petty crusade they are on, and wasteful to boot.
CO2 = plankton ghosts
