• Viceversa@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    “You’re allowed to steal for sustenance, but you aren’t allowed to steal something that you enjoy.”

    Exactly.

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      2 days ago

      You ignored the context of everything else. What if you’re stealing for sustenance, but it’s something you enjoy? Why does enjoying it make it morally bad? You said it isn’t about money, so you’re only allowed to do it, in your premise, if you don’t get any enjoyment out of it. Arguably, everything you eat you’ll enjoy if you’re hungry enough, so then stealing for sustenance is not actually allowed.

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        2 days ago

        I’ll clarify my stance: you’re allowed to steal luxury food / treats only if it’s the only food available.

        And, of course, you should be starving and have no other means to sustain yourself.

        To justify stealing is a slippery slope, unfortunately.

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          To justify stealing is a slippery slope, unfortunately.

          In order for this to not be a slippery slope fallacy you have to show how it could reasonable lead to whatever you’re claiming it’d lead to (which you didn’t even state). What is the negative outcome to (morally) allowing theft for sustenance? Keep in mind, it’s still illegal, so there are potential negative consequences. There’s just not a negative moral judgement (from those of us who are fine with it).

          As the opposite point, hoarding when others are in need, while legal, is immoral (in my opinion). Does that create a slippery slope where people don’t create/collect more things for themselves? No, obviously. This is as close to a universal moral principle that I think exists, yet people still hoard. It doesn’t create a slippery slope.